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David K
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PETROGLYPHS & PICTOGRAPHS you can drive to, or close (in Baja Norte)!
Baja California was as popular with American Indians several hundred years ago as it is now with us!
Thanks to abundant food supplies for some, they had some 'free time' to make artistic additions to the boulders of Baja!
There must be dozens we know of... and a few are so close to a vehicle approach, you don't have to leave your car... well almost!
Here is a sample of some sites...
MONTEVIDEO (off the San Borja road):
ARROYO SAN FERNANDO (a mile west of the mission):
LAS PINTAS:
CATAVIÑA (2 miles north, on top of boulder hill):
LAS TINAJITAS (San Borja region):
PETROGLYPH PARK (site we found 20 miles east of El Socorro):
LA VIBORA CANYON (8 miles from Guadalupe Canyon):
These photos are all found in my web site VivaBaja.com, most with directions. Las Tinajitas is best found using the guide service of Jose Gerardo and
family of San Borja.
Viva Baja everyone!
[Edited on 2-7-2009 by David K]
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rpleger
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Good fotos, very interesting....Thank you
Richard on the Hill
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be miserable; to be an American abroad is to make others miserable.
-- Ambrose Bierce, _The Enlarged Devil\'s Dictionary_
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2-tie-dye-4
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I think I've seen some of this, but just from the car, and wondered if it was ancient, or grafiti.
We\'re all here cuz we\'re not all there, mountain stranded time
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David K
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Quote: | Originally posted by 2-tie-dye-4
I think I've seen some of this, but just from the car, and wondered if it was ancient, or grafiti. |
BOTH (ancient grafitti)!
What is funny (or sad) is that today's grafitti is tomorrow's rock art!
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XRPhlang
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Here's El Burro. The beach just south of Santaspac, right? They are right next to the hwy. a very short walk at the south side of the cove.
[Edited on 3-6-2009 by XRPhlang]
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XRPhlang
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I remember questioning why they would not have been affected by the building of the hwy, they're that close. Maybe a concerned road builder
repositioned them there.
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XRPhlang
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one more....
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.....and another one
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XRPhlang
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Did your host in Mulege give any indication whether, or not they thought these were in fact legitimate/old petraglyphs? The boulder field in which
they were located really looked to me like they were rocks tumbled there to provide support for the roadbed. Looking close they were indeed
convincing. I guess it's possible they could have survived the various road building campaigns over years.
Here's something a bit more convincing I found on a recent trip put on by Nomads this last Presidents Day weekend to El Cajon Canyon in the Sierra San
Pedro de Martir. It's only a short walk up the canyon on the South side.
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XRPhlang
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a little closer. Whether it's smoke damage, or desert varnish seen as a broad band across the rock, it does appear to be on top of the glyphs, making
them older I would assume.
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redhilltown
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yikes. exact directions? can't there just be general directions and let people discover them on their own? I guess I am of the Mary Austin kind who
said in her book Land of Little Rain (which is available on line): "And I am in no mind to direct you to delectable places toward which you will hold
yourself less tenderly than I". and maybe her and I are a bit grumpy, but are not some of these sites pretty delicate and sensitive?
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Barry A.
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Quote: | Originally posted by redhilltown
yikes. exact directions? can't there just be general directions and let people discover them on their own? I guess I am of the Mary Austin kind who
said in her book Land of Little Rain (which is available on line): "And I am in no mind to direct you to delectable places toward which you will hold
yourself less tenderly than I". and maybe her and I are a bit grumpy, but are not some of these sites pretty delicate and sensitive?
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Here we go again
Barry
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XRPhlang
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Quote: | Originally posted by redhilltown
yikes. exact directions? can't there just be general directions and let people discover them on their own? I guess I am of the Mary Austin kind who
said in her book Land of Little Rain (which is available on line): "And I am in no mind to direct you to delectable places toward which you will hold
yourself less tenderly than I". and maybe her and I are a bit grumpy, but are not some of these sites pretty delicate and sensitive?
| Yeah, you're probably right. But a good Chef always leaves out an ingredient, or two.
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David K
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2012 Additions, just off the road near El Arco.
We can see the giant paintings.
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That Mesa de Carmen site is one of my favoites. The paintings there are as good as if not better than the ones up in Sierra San Francisco in my
opinion. Too bad it is such a small area. Looking on google earth in that area there are uploaded photos of other sites that would be fun to find.
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David K
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I am sure if one were to explore every rock face possible, it would amaze us all how many have been marked up by man over the years. These giant sites
sure seem to indicate that food was plentiful for them to have so much leisure time and they were painted before the Cochimí, that lived there when
the Spanish arrived on scene...?
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Quote: | Originally posted by David K
I am sure if one were to explore every rock face possible, it would amaze us all how many have been marked up by man over the years. These giant sites
sure seem to indicate that food was plentiful for them to have so much leisure time and they were painted before the Cochimí, that lived there when
the Spanish arrived on scene...? |
Great pictures, But how can you say that they were American Indians.
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David K
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* Because they weren't Indians from India!
[Edited on 1-1-2013 by David K]
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Quote: | Originally posted by David K
* Because they weren't Indians from India!
[Edited on 1-1-2013 by David K] |
Please answer the Question, how can you say they were AMERICAN Indians.
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Quote: | Originally posted by J.P.
Quote: | Originally posted by David K
* Because they weren't Indians from India!
[Edited on 1-1-2013 by David K] |
Please answer the Question, how can you say they were AMERICAN Indians.
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Isn't Mexico in North America?????
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