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bajaguy
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Mobile homes have wheels on them for a reason. As soon as they started to widen that road, I would have made plans to pull up and move out....if it
didn't happen, great.....but be prepared.......
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Packoderm
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by Packoderm
It looks like just another black eye for future real estate transactions in Baja. |
This has nothing to do with real estate. These were renters. |
Did any of them build anything? If not, and it's only trailers involved, then it might be less of an issue. If there were ten year leases and
buildings involved, then we have something different.
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bajabound2005
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Our current neighbors in Rancho Packard left Rancho Ensenada many, many years ago because the "road was coming through". They commented only a few
weeks ago how surprised they were it had not yet happened. This cannot be a surprise to the tenants in Rancho Ensenada....just like it was no
surprise in Punta Banda ---where it had been in litigation for years and years....
Friends don't let friends drink white zinfandel.
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bajaguy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajabound2005
Our current neighbors in Rancho Packard left Rancho Ensenada many, many years ago because the "road was coming through". They commented only a few
weeks ago how surprised they were it had not yet happened. This cannot be a surprise to the tenants in Rancho Ensenada....just like it was no
surprise in Punta Banda ---where it had been in litigation for years and years.... |
Eggs actly!
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Dave
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Packoderm
Did any of them build anything? If not, and it's only trailers involved, then it might be less of an issue. If there were ten year leases and
buildings involved, then we have something different. |
Building anything on leased land don't make it 'real estate'. It's personal property and if not stipulated in the lease or can't be removed
then typically reverts to the landowner. This ain't just in Baja but also in the States.
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fishbuck
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You can be very careful about land purchases and still end up with a problem.
The Orendain family recieved the land from the government in a land grant in 1957. Seems solid right?
I recieved info that there is a case against Orendain where I bought my land. I have an attorney too. Whenever I ask him about the land he says
everything is okay.
When I asked Orendain he got angry. He stated that it's all lies and designed to hurt his ability to sell the land there. And that the people involved
are squaters.
Seems that some fishermen claim to have historic rights to the land but I have not been able to substantiate it.
It's a little unnerving. At this point I don't believe it because I can not get anymore info about it. But still...
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vacaenbaja
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Chavez Ravine South
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fishbuck
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| Quote: | Originally posted by vacaenbaja
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Why are the Dodgers moving to Ensenada?
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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bajabound2005
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the dodgers? Didn't the Marineros take the pennant last year? That would be the ENSENADA Marineros!
[Edited on 2-21-2009 by bajabound2005]
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shari
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There are problems all over baja stemming from land that was "given" to people from the mainland in hopes of populating the peninsula. Problem was
that they gave strangers land that had been lived on for several generations...similar to native rights issues.
For example San roque was a village for several generations but now there is a "situation" where an ejido is claiming it is their land and wants to
sell it...so this is in a legal battle at the moment which is cool because it keeps san roque wild. So beware of buying in san roque!
But it is a problem for those who have homes there....it "belonged" to the cooperativa but the ejido wants them to buy it and well...there just isnt
money to do that and they feel it is theirs anyway...es un pedo...mucho problema.
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bigboy
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By using the coordinates posted, the location is about 0.75 miles east of Tony's fish camp near the estero. Is this correct? Looks like undeveloped
land to me!
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bigboy
By using the coordinates posted, the location is about 0.75 miles east of Tony's fish camp near the estero. Is this correct? Looks like undeveloped
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Seems not much in the report is correct, Larry. At least, nothing has been verified.
Remember the Tigers Cave restaurant in south Ensenada? Rancho Ensenada is one block south of there. It's been there since the beginning of time.
There is another Rancho Ensenada which may come up in a Google search. It's a guest facility on/off the road to San Filipe about five miles east of
town. It's a really neat set-up with a very rustic pitch'n putt golf course, swimming pool , bar and rooms...all available on reservation.
Unfortunatly, the place has suffered brutal mismanagement and earned a terrible reputation.
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bigboy
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OK......thanks Dennis!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by Packoderm
It looks like just another black eye for future real estate transactions in Baja. |
This has nothing to do with real estate. These were renters. |
I thought someone had posted here on another thread that leases had no legal standing .... therefore, they were basically a month to month rental
agreement .
Would someone care to elaborate 
CaboRon
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As much as I love Mexico and as much as my heart and soul is Mexican I just get so angry when I see that the Mexican government does not have ADEQUATE
laws to protect foreigners who purchase land and build in Mexico. It seems that the crooked land owners know this and allow the foreigners to buy and
build on the land then just come in with the laws of Mexico behind them to steal back what the foreigners have built. They are just a bunch of thieves
in my book.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by CaboRon
I thought someone had posted here on another thread that leases had no legal standing .... therefore, they were basically a month to month rental
agreement .
Would someone care to elaborate
CaboRon |
A lease written by a Notario has all the weight and protection that the constitution will allow. Unfortunatly, most Americans come south with the
mindset that a lease, signed in a bar or anywhere else, has the clout of a similar transaction in the states when, in fact, it doesn't. It's a
rental agreement at best and can be ammeded at the will and discretion of the land owner at any time.
To make matters worse for the naive tenent, without proper immigration status, one is unable to enter into any kind of contract.
These are just a couple of the things they won't tell you before your money has left your hand.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ELINVESTI8
As much as I love Mexico and as much as my heart and soul is Mexican I just get so angry when I see that the Mexican government does not have ADEQUATE
laws to protect foreigners who purchase land and build in Mexico. It seems that the crooked land owners know this and allow the foreigners to buy and
build on the land then just come in with the laws of Mexico behind them to steal back what the foreigners have built. They are just a bunch of thieves
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The Ejidos are the worst offenders. It seems to be a recent specialty in law school training that prepares a lawyer to reverse property transactions
in favor of the Ejido, of course after the money has changed hands.
Don't ever deal with an Ejido. Chances are huge that it will have a painful ending for the buyer.
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shari
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there is a huge difference between gringo that "buy" land or just rent it...rental leases are just that and ya gotta figure that into the
equation....i figure
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Dave
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Not entirely true
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
without proper immigration status, one is unable to enter into any kind of contract.
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With an FMT, you can get a fidecomiso, form a corporation or lease an apartment or space for your trailer for the length of your tourist visa.
However, to live (full time) in Mexico you must have a FM2/3.
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