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airmech
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Pilots and boaters Beware!
This is that latest with flying and I say boaters too cuz your next.
An illegal armed search by CBP of an airplane trying to depart from Long Beach airport. 3 more incidents have been reported, 2 from John Wayne. If
you don't like the Mexicans showing up with M16s wait till you hear this!
http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/PilotProtestsCustomsChe...
make sure you listen to the pod cast.
Both optimists and pessimists contribute to the society. The optimist invents the aeroplane, the pessimist the parachute.
— George Bernard Shaw
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Hook
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Welcome to the world since 9/11/2001.
Exactly what made this "illegal"? Nice try with alarming the boating community, too, but you cost yourself credibility trying that, IMO. Besides, we
have been boarded off SD for some time now.
I am predicting there is something in the background of one of his passengers that precipitated this.
Either that, or Tommy Lee Jones is in charge of the SoCal office of the CBP.
[Edited on 6-9-2009 by Hook]
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DavidT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by airmech
I say boaters too cuz your next.
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Next? Boats have been boarded by the Coast Guard at any time for any reason for more then a year now.
David
Not one shred of evidence supports the notion that life is serious.
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Hook, this is going on more and more by the CBP. I was subjected to something similar a few months ago on the highway near San Clemente. You should be
alarmed.
This is not just about inspections but the methods they use. These guys are putting loaded guns in your face with no probable cause. All in the name
of routine inspections? I am hearing more and more of these cases and it seems they are escalating their tactics.
Sorry, but this is not right and unless you have been the one in that position I doubt you can really understand how wrong this all feels...
[Edited on 6-9-2009 by BajaGringo]
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Hook
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGringo
Hook, this is going on more and more by the CBP. I was subjected to something similar a few months ago on the highway near San Clemente. You should be
alarmed.
This is not just about inspections but the methods they use. These guys are putting loaded guns in your face with no probable cause. All in the name
of routine inspections?
Sorry, but this is not right and unless you have been the one in that position I doubt you can really understand how wrong this all feels...
[Edited on 6-9-2009 by BajaGringo] |
No one on this board has any idea if there was probably cause or not.
I'll wait till I see what the CBP says before I pass judgement. In the meantime, accusations of "brutality" and "illegality" are premature and
fomentary, if such a word exists.
ACtually, I can say right now that this doesn't pass muster with the term brutality, IMO.
[Edited on 6-9-2009 by Hook]
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airmech
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illegal
What made this illegal? Last I heard officials needed probable cause to search without a warrant. I don't even get searched like that when I land in
Mexico. Yes they greet you with M16s but not pointed at you.
Also for you pilots. When I used the eAPIS (before it was mandatory) trying it out for the first time. I filed from MMPE to Calexico. I never
received a conformation email but called direct to Calexico and gave them notice. When I arrived they didn't have me in the computer from the eAPIS.
I just thought it was a glitch.
Talked to a friend that flew down last week and he said the exact same thing happened to him.
Credibility? What makes you credible? I'm just forwarding the current news.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
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I am predicting there is something in the background of one of his passengers that precipitated this. ...
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I agree with this and that they were a bit sensitive to the search... Perhaps a plane N number was close to a known mafia plane number?
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airmech
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david k,
How do you do that quote thing? Anyways, I would agree with you except that this guy has a house in Loreto and fly's down all the time. And maybe it
is exaggerated for all I know. But. . . I have a truck in Bay of LA and fly down several times a year also and I can't imagine how I would feel if I
pulled my plane out of my hanger, didn't even start it, and was surrounded by CBP with guns drawn. Let alone if I had passengers all loaded in and
ready to go. Even if the CBP made a mistake with a wrong N number they could have handled it better than that.
I don't agree that "saying" you are leaving the country is "probable cause" to search your vehicle and all your possessions.
Both optimists and pessimists contribute to the society. The optimist invents the aeroplane, the pessimist the parachute.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by airmech
david k,
How do you do that quote thing? Anyways, I would agree with you except that this guy has a house in Loreto and fly's down all the time. And maybe it
is exaggerated for all I know. But. . . I have a truck in Bay of LA and fly down several times a year also and I can't imagine how I would feel if I
pulled my plane out of my hanger, didn't even start it, and was surrounded by CBP with guns drawn. Let alone if I had passengers all loaded in and
ready to go. Even if the CBP made a mistake with a wrong N number they could have handled it better than that.
I don't agree that "saying" you are leaving the country is "probable cause" to search your vehicle and all your possessions. |
Instead of pushing the Post Reply button or using Quick Reply, you click on the 'Quote' button at the top of whose post you want to quote... see it?
I don't think he was the cause for the search. He had passengers, so one of them had an alert flag go up on the fed's computer from when he did the
pre-filing of the passenger list, perhaps?
It cost him an hour and some nerves, but he had his trip in the end and didn't loose his plane. It is not a lot different than going to secondry for a
full inspection... which pilots don't usually get since they don't drive across the border.
It's not a nice thing, but unless it happens everytime you guys fly to Baja... maybe just call it new occaisional procedure to go with the new
administration?
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Hook
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Nothing in particular makes me credible..............especially my penchant for posting on the Nomad board.
What makes you incredible is your lack of knowledge about the existing situation with boaters and your attempt to rope them into this situation.
You still have no idea whether probably cause existed. Knowing the background of the pilot and his habits doesnt answer that. In this day and age, it
could be something as simple as a questionable person who hacked into his computer at home and it was traced to a red flagged computer somewhere else.
Does the FAA/CBP require that all passengers aboard be identified in an eAPIS? If so, then maybe one of the passengers raised a red flag.
Or, maybe there is a bug in the eAPIS procedure?
I would still rather have our law enforcement err on the side of caution, given the erring we saw on the side of laziness immediately before 9/11.
Think about it................drug cartels are employing military style weapons that are occasionally confiscated and get traced back to sources in
the US. Ex military guy who makes frequent trips to Mexico in his own plane gets rousted. Is this really that far out in left field? If he's carrying
weapons, he may be locked and loaded. Don't police officers approach cars with guns drawn when there is probable cause for persons packing?
Your hysteria is premature. And your handwringing over the loss of freedom in Amerika is at least 10 years too late.
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airmech
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by airmech
david k,
How do you do that quote thing? Anyways, I would agree with you except that this guy has a house in Loreto and fly's down all the time. And maybe it
is exaggerated for all I know. But. . . I have a truck in Bay of LA and fly down several times a year also and I can't imagine how I would feel if I
pulled my plane out of my hanger, didn't even start it, and was surrounded by CBP with guns drawn. Let alone if I had passengers all loaded in and
ready to go. Even if the CBP made a mistake with a wrong N number they could have handled it better than that.
I don't agree that "saying" you are leaving the country is "probable cause" to search your vehicle and all your possessions. |
Instead of pushing the Post Reply button or using Quick Reply, you click on the 'Quote' button at the top of whose post you want to quote... see it?
I don't think he was the cause for the search. He had passengers, so one of them had an alert flag go up on the fed's computer from when he did the
pre-filing of the passenger list, perhaps?
It cost him an hour and some nerves, but he had his trip in the end and didn't loose his plane. It is not a lot different than going to secondry for a
full inspection... which pilots don't usually get since they don't drive across the border.
It's not a nice thing, but unless it happens everytime you guys fly to Baja... maybe just call it new occaisional procedure to go with the new
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got it thanks.
I still have to disagree with you only because he filed his eAPIS notice with his passenger list 2 days in advance and CBP gave him permission to
leave. CBP had plenty of time to talk with him in a more professional way.
I also would be doing a lot less whining if I believed that all this hoop jumping was actually doing some good in catching the bad guys but I don't
believe its the US citizens going to Mexico that are causing issues.
Both optimists and pessimists contribute to the society. The optimist invents the aeroplane, the pessimist the parachute.
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listen to the pod cast link on AvWeb. it was real and way out of line.
and Nappy Napolitano has said, " if the pilot community is having problems with the the new DHS and CBP procedures....wait till the boaters see what's
coming..."
posted on BBP.
David - for as much as you bloviate on right wing freedoms....i can't believe your complacency over this eroding of fundamental rights against
unreasonable search and seizure. think jackboots cause it's coming.
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"In an interview Secretary Napolitano, when told about the outrage by GA pilots about Home Security actions said that will be nothing compared to the
outrage by the boaters. So for those of us who also take boats into Canada etc the Department is working on new rules for boaters. There goes a bit
more freedom, where will it end."
from BBP
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Many of you people complaining about loss of freedom also voted for GWB and supported the primarily GOP led efforts to expand the size, scope and
powers of the boder patrol and customs.
Many of you asked for it, now you got it. You can't be screaming "build the wall" and then complain when it inconveniences you.
btw, CG thugs have been boarding/inspecting boats for years.
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woody with a view
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where's the fence?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
Many of you people complaining about loss of freedom also voted for GWB and supported the primarily GOP led efforts to expand the size, scope and
powers of the boder patrol and customs.
Many of you asked for it, now you got it. You can't be screaming "build the wall" and then complain when it inconveniences you.
btw, CG thugs have been boarding/inspecting boats for years. |
You can't let it go, can you? We lost no freedoms under GWB, his actions prevented another attack. There is a new president now (for almost 6 months,
in fact), time to make him responsible for all the unprofessional behavior going on and true lack of freedoms coming.
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As usual, many are sounding off without having any comprehension of the situation that exists or what is coming. As far as boaters are concerned, they
will soon be subject to the same restrictions as aircraft and will have to get permission and approval for the boat, crew and passengers to leave or
enter the US just as aircraft do now under eapis. For those who think a simple boarding by the Coast Guard compares- get your head out of your burro.
Read what Capt. Mike posted about Janet Napolitano's statement about what boaters have coming. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see this extend
to those of you who think secondary is a big deal. How many in secondary get guns pointed in their faces? How long will it be before you climb into
your Baja rig to head across the border before you will have to comply with the same restrictions?
Instead of trashing the ones who are warning of what is coming, try making an effort to be more informed.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
Many of you people complaining about loss of freedom also voted for GWB and supported the primarily GOP led efforts to expand the size, scope and
powers of the boder patrol and customs.
Many of you asked for it, now you got it. You can't be screaming "build the wall" and then complain when it inconveniences you.
btw, CG thugs have been boarding/inspecting boats for years. |
Awwwe come on mt, when you gonna let it go.
Every bunch of crap in this country cannot be blamed on GWB.
Don't you get that you and all your media pals just point the finger at how pathetic and in effectual BO is if all any of you can do is look
backwards.
Do something positive for this country besides saddeling us with more debt than ALL OTHER PRESIDENCIES COMBINDED, including GWB. Why don't you ever
claim that stat???
As an example: BO quote, we have created 160k new jobs in the first 100 days of this presidency. He failed to mention 80% of them were government
positions. Also that 1.6 million jobs were lost IN his first 100 days, that's 16k a day.
On another note equally as disturbing, we were stopped by customs agents at the Tecate border crossing this last weekend.
We were asked:
Where are you coming from?
How much money are each of you carrying?
Do you have any drugs, ammo, firearms?
This was on the US side, leaving My country into mexico by US customs agents. ????
Our major concern, with exception to the 3rd question which was easy (we picked a bunch up and were just taking them back to Mex), is there a wrong
answer to the first 2?
I mean, could we be coming from somewhere in our own FREE country that would be an issue?
Does the BO admin maybe want to tax us some more before we go spend our cash in Mex?
Yep mt, I fear we will have much to look back at after we are done with BO.
I just hope it's not while we are bent over in a rice paddy some where while slaveing for dear pres BO, while you watch from the back of a stake bed
truck.
That's not what you want for your USofA brothers and sisters, is it?
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if i had nothing to hide (pick your friends well, my friend!) and i experienced what you did i might be surprised, but i would also be proud that my
govt is finally getting serious. did they slap you around, throw you on the ground? or did they come at you defensively until they were sure no threat
existed?
the days of beaver cleaver in mayberry, rfd are over.
where's the fence???
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
We lost no freedoms under GWB, his actions prevented another attack. There is a new president now (for almost 6 months, in fact), time to make him
responsible for all the unprofessional behavior going on and true lack of freedoms coming. |
dk, you are a funny guy
(you weren't serious, were you? 
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