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BajaCactus
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Looking for old book...
I am looking for an old book by Pablo Mart?nez about the begginings of Baja California called "A HISTORY OF LOWER CALIFORNIA"
Does anybody have any idea where I could find one..??... any old book store..??
Thanks.
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For that you will need an old, old book collector
Neal??? Where are you?
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I'm at home!
And the book is at: http://makeashorterlink.com/?G2BF122A8
waiting for BajaCactus!
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Ok...
Thank you Neals...
I visited the link you gave me. That is the book I am looking for...!!!
I would prefer it in Spanish but if I do not find it I will buy it in English.
Thanks for the tip.
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Old Books
Antonio. If you want to learn more about the missions, I would suggest that you look at a number of other books, starting with the historical
geography studies by Peveril Meigs and Homer Aschmann.
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BajaBernie recently obtained two copies of that book (one for each of us)... they are the English version... Interesting in that everything Spanish is
translated... When Martinez cites Arthur North's 'Camp and Camino in Lower California', the book says 'Camp and Highway in Lower California' !
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Question for Neal Johns
Perhaps you can answer this one for me. When Jeans referred the question to you, what did she really mean about an old collector?
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Ok...
Thank you Robert (AA).
I am trying to get my hands on all the resources I can find on the origins of Baja California.
I will do what you suggest also. I have read some of Peveril Meigs, but I have not heard about Homer Aschmann.
What is appealing to me about Pablo Mart?nez is that, I know for a fact, that he did most of his work based on personal interviews in Baja.
Because he used to travel Baja on foot, (literally), he stayed many times at my great-grand mother's home, sometimes for days. So I think that his
books must have great stories.
This past weekend I had access to one of his books. It was a compendium of the files he found about the people in Baja between 1800 and 1900 (birth
certificates, baptisms, marriages, deceases)
He compiled a lot of info from churches and old files.... Great book, well, at least for someone like me, who found a lot about my ancesters in Baja.
Antonio M.
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Watch it, AA! I have been trained to kill by the Department of Defense!
It got me out of jury duty once. We were being questioned by the prosecutor and defense lawyers prior to jury duty and the prosecutor kept asking me
what I did.
"I work for the Naval Ship Missile Engineering Station as an Electronics Engineer".
But what do you do??
"I am in the Advanced Development Group"
But what do you do?????
"Radar and Systems are my specialty"
But what do you do??????
" I sit at a desk in a little cubicle and think of better ways to kill people"
Excused
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Books by Homer Aschmmann:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?E250323A8
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Great web page...
I did not know that web page Neal... for a lover of books like me (old and new) is almost a gold mine.
Thanks for introducing it to me.
Antonio M.
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Good books to read
Meigs and Aschmann were historical geographers trained at my alma mater by Carl Sauer, a world class scholar. Meigs's most important book is The
Dominican Mission Frontier, and Aschmann's is The Central Desert of Baja California. Both focus on missions. Although dated and eurocentric,
Engelhardt's 1929 edition of The Missions and Missionaries of California: Vol. 1 Lower California has lots of useful information. Peter Masten Dunne,
S.J., wrote a book on the Jesuit period in the Peninsula, as did Harry Crosby in ANtigua California. From the Mexican side of the border Ignacio del
Rio and Martio Magana (Sto Domingo Mission) are good studies. Three of my books deal in part with the Baja California missions: Indian Population
Decline: The Missions of Northwestern New Spain; Race, Caste, and Status: Indians in Colonial Spanish America; and From Savages to Subjects. A fourth
book relates specifically to the Baja California missions. I also have a number of articles on the Baja California missions. This is a complete list
of my publications:
Books
1.The Spanish Missions of Baja California. New York: Garland Publishing Inc., 1991.
2.Indian Demographic Decline :the Missions of Northwestern New Spain, 1687-1840. Albuquerque: University of New Mexico Press, 1994.
3.Regional Markets and Agrarian Transformation in Bolivia: Cochabamba, 1539-1960. Albuquerque: University of New Mexico Press, 1994.
4.Robert H. Jackson and Edward Castillo, Indians, Franciscans, and Spanish Colonization: The Impact of the Mission System on California Indians.
Albuquerque: University of New Mexico Press, 1995.
5.Erick Langer and Robert Jackson, editors, The New Latin American Mission History. University of Nebraska Press, 1995.
6.Robert H. Jackson, ed.,Liberals, The Church, and Indian Peasants: Corporate Lands and the Challenge of Reform in Nineteenth-Century Spanish
America. Albuquerque: University of New Mexico Press, 1997.
7.Race, Caste, and Status: Indians in Colonial Spanish America. Albuquerque: University of New Mexico Press, 1999. Cited as an outstanding academic
book for 1999 by Choice Magazine.
8.Robert H. Jackson, ed., New Views of Borderlands History. Albuquerque: University of New Mexico Press, 1998.
9.Robert H. Jackson, From Savages to Subjects: Missions in the History of the American Southwest. M.E. Sharpe, 2000.
Articles and Book Chapters
1."Epidemic Disease and Indian Depopulation in the Baja California Missions, 1697-1834," Southern California Quarterly 63 (1981), Pp. 308-346.
2."The Last Jesuit Censuses of the Pimeria Alta Missions, 1761 and 1766," The Kiva 46 (1981), Pp. 243-272.
3."The 1845 Villa de Branciforte Census," Antepasados 4 (1981), Pp. 45-57.
4."Causes of Indian Depopulation in the Pimeria Alta Missions of Northern Sonora," Journal of Arizona History 24 (1983), Pp. 405-429.
5."Demographic Patterns in the Missions of Northern Baja California," Journal of California and Great Basin Anthropology 5 (1983), Pp. 130-139.
6."Disease and Demographic Patterns at Santa Cruz Mission, Alta California," Journal of California and Great Basin Anthropology 5 (1983), Pp.
33-57.
7."Demographic Patterns in the Missions of Central Baja California," Journal of California and Great Basin Anthropology 6 (1984), Pp. 91-112.
8."Demographic Change in Northwestern New Spain," The Americas 41 (1985), Pp. 462-479. Reproduced in Antonine Tibesar, O.F.M., editor, Junipero
Serra and the Northwestern Mexican Frontier, 1750-1825 (Washington, D.C., 1985).
9."Gentile Recruitment and Population Movements in the San Francisco Bay Area Missions," Journal of California and Great Basin Anthropology 6
(1984), Pp. 225-239.
10.Robert H. Jackson and Peter Stern, "Vagabundaje and Settlement Patterns in Colonial Northern Sonora," The Americas 44 (1988), Pp. 461-481.
11.Robert Jackson and Erick Langer, "Colonial and Republican Missions Compared: The Cases of Alta California and Southeastern Bolivia, Comparative
Studies in Society and History 30 (1988), Pp. 286-311.
12."Patterns of Demographic Change in the Missions of Southern Baja California," Journal of California and Great Basin Anthropology 8 (1986), Pp.
273-279.
13."Patterns of Demographic Change in the Missions of Central Alta California. Journal of California and Great Basin Anthropology 9 (1987), Pp.
251-272.
14.Robert Jackson and Jose Gordillo Claure, "Mestizaje y proceso de parcelizacion en la estructura agraria de Cochabamba (El caso de SipeSipe en los
siglos XVlll-XlX)," HISLA 10 (1987), Pp. 15-37.
15."Evolucion y persistencia del colonaje en las haciendas de Cochabamba," Siglo XlX 3 (1988), Pp. 145-162.
16."Estructura agraria y mestizaje en el Canton Paredon a principios del siglo XX," Estudios-UMSS 2 (1988), 2-27.
17."Aportes para el estudio de la crisis regional a fines del siglo XlX," Estudios-UMSS 2 (1988), Pp. 110-118.
18."Markets, Peasantry, and the Formation and Fragmentation of the Cochabamba Hacienda. A Review of Larson, Brooke, Colonialism and Agrarian
Transformation in Bolivia: Cochabamba, 1550-1900," a review published in Peasant Studies 16 (1988), 39-52.
19."The Decline of the Hacienda in Cochabamba, Bolivia: The Case of the Sacaba Valley, 1870-1929," The Hispanic American Historical Review 69
(1989), 259-281.
20."The 1781-1782 Smallpox Epidemic in the Baja California Missions," Journal of California and Great Basin Anthropology 3 (1981), Pp. 138-143.
21."Intermarriage at Fort Ross: A Case From San Rafael Mission," Journal of California and Great Basin Anthropology 5 (1983), Pp. 240-241.
22."La metodologia historica," Estudios-UMSS 1 (1987), Pp. 2-8.
23."The Justiniano Roxas Hoax: The Story of the Oldest Man on Earth," The Californians 4:6 (1986), Pp. 44, 54.
24."La dinamica del desastre demografico de la poblacion india en las misiones de la bahia de San Francisco, Alta California," Historia Mexicana 40
(1990), Pp. 187-215.
25) An English language version of this article was published in American Indian Quarterly 17 (Spring 1992), 141-156.
25."La colonizacion de la Alta California: Un analisis del desarrollo de dos comunidades misionales," Historia Mexicana 41 (1991), Pp. 83-110.
26."Population and the Economic Dimension of Colonization in Alta California: Four Mission Communities," Journal of the Southwest 33 (1991), Pp.
387-439.
27. Co-editor of the Fall 1991 issue of Journal of the Southwest, a special edition with a collection of six essays on the history of northern
colonial Mexico written by younger scholars. My co-editor and I selected and edited the essays presented in the issue.
28."Repeopling The Land: The Spanish Borderlands," and 30) "Relations With the Mother Country: The Spanish Borderlands," in The Encyclopedia of
Colonial American History (New York, 1993).
29.With Erick Langer, "El liberalismo y el problema de la tierra en Bolivia (1825-1920)," Siglo XlX 5:10 (1990), Pp. 9-32.
30."The Dynamics of Indian Demographic Collapse in the Mission Communities of Northwestern New Spain: A Comparative Approach With Implications for
Popular Interpretations of Mission History," in Virginia Guedea and Jaime Rodriguez O., editors, Five Centuries of Mexican History/Cinco Siglos de
Historia de Mexico, 2 volumes (Mexico D.F., 1992), volume 1, pp. 139-156.
31."Cambios en la tenencia de la tierra en la provincia de Cliza (1860-1930) y origenes de los sindicatos campesinos bolivianos," Historia Y Cultura
[La Paz, Bolivia] 18 (1990), Pp. 99-110.
32."The Treatment or Mistreatment of Disease? Comments on Ronn Pineo's "Misery and Death in the Pearl of the Pacific: Health Care in Guayaquil,
Ecuador, 1870-1925," Hispanic American Historical Review 71 (1991), Pp. 365-368.
33."The Changing Economic Structure of the Alta California Missions: A Reinterpretation," Pacific Historical Review 61:3 (1992), Pp. 387-415.
34."The Population of the Santa Barbara Channel Missions (Alta California), 1813-1832," Journal of California and Great Basin Anthropology 12:2
(1990).
35."Patterns of Demographic Change in the Alta California Missions: The Case of Santa Ines," California History 71:3 (Fall, 1992), pp. 362-369.
36.Robert H. Jackson and Gregory Maddox, "The Creation of Identity: Colonial Society in Bolivia and Tanzania," Comparative Studies in Society and
History 35:2 (1993), 263-284.
37."The Impact of Liberal Policy on Mexico's Northern Frontier: Mission Secularization and the Development of Alta California, 1812-1846," Colonial
Latin American Historical Review 2:2 (1993), 195-225.
38.with Jose Gordillo Claure, "Formacion, crisis y transformacion de la estructura agraria de Cochabamba. El caso de la hacienda de Paucarpata y de
la comunidad del Passo, 1538-1645 y 1872-1929," Revista de Indias 53, # 199 (Sept.-Dec., 1993), 723-760.
39."Congregation and Population Change in the Mission Communities of Northern New Spain: Cases From the Californias and Texas," New Mexico
Historical Review (April, 1994), 163-183.
40."Race/Caste and the Creation and Meaning of Identity in Colonial Spanish America," Revista de Indias 55, #203 (1995), 149-173.
41."Grain Supply, Congregation, and Demographic Patterns in the Missions of Northwestern New Spain: Case Studies from Baja and Alta California,"
Journal of the West 34:1 (1997), 19-25.
42."Naissance Et Metamorphoses Du Savoir Demographique: Le Mestizaje Des Communates Indigenes de la Valle Bajo de Cochabamba, En Bolivie," Cahiers
Quebecois De Demographie 25:1 (1996).
43."Agriculture, Drought, and Chumash Congregation in the California Missions (1782-1834)," California Mission Studies Association Newsletter 16:1
(May, 1999), 3-10.
44."Agriculture, Drought, and Chumash Congregation in the California Missions (1782-1834)," Estudios de Historia Novohispana 19 (1999), 69-90.
45. ?The 1824 Chumash Uprising Reconsidered,? California Mission Studies Association Newsletter 17 (Fall 2000), 8-16.
46. ?Labor Rights and the Restructuring of Major League Baseball, 1969-1992: A Case Study of Franchise Performance and the Myth of Baseball
Management,? in William Simons, ed., The Cooperstown Symposium on Baseball and American Culture, 2001 (McFarland & Co., Jefferson, North Carolina,
2002), 336-352.
47. ?Una frustrada evangelizaci?n: las limitaciones del cambio social, cultural y religioso en los ?Pueblos Errantes? de las misiones del Desierto
Central de Baja California y la regi?n de la costa del Golfo de Texas/A Frustrated Evangelization: The Limitations to Social, Cultural and Religious
Change Among the ?Wandering Peoples? of the Missions of the Central Desert of Baja California and the Texas Gulf Coast ? Fronteras de la Historia
(Bogota, Colombia) 6 (2001), 7-40.
48. ? Demographic Patterns at Santa Clara Mission, 1777-1840,? in Russell Skowronenk, ed., Telling the Santa Clara Story (Santa Clara, 2002), 84-92.
49. "Wandering Peoples?: Seasonal Migration and Settlement Patterns in the Missions on the Northern Fringe of New Spain,? California Mission Studies
Association Boletin 19:2 (Fall, 2002), 19-34.
50. ?Han ignorado la amrosa voz del Padre?: Reconsiderando los origenes del levantamiento de los chumash en 1824 en la California mexicana,? Descatos
10 (Otono-Invierno 2002), 77-93.
51.? ?lites ind?genas y pol?tica espa?ola en Cochabamba durante la colonia,? in Blanca Tovias and David Cahill, eds., Elites indigenas en los Andes:
Nobles, Caciques, y Cabildantes bajo el Yugo Colonial (Quito, 2003), 243-247.
52. ?Missoes nas fronteiras da America Espanhola: analise comparativa,? Estudos Ibero-Americanos PUCRS 24:2 (dezembro 2003), 51-78.
53. ?A Colonization Born of Frustration: Rosario Mission and the Karankawas,? Journal of South Texas 17:1 (Spring, 2004), 31-50.
54. ?Mortality Crises in the Jesuit Missions of Paraguay, 1730-1740,? World History Review 1:2 (Spring, 2004), 2-23.
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Martinez history
BajaCactus, I'd try to get the Spanish edition--Historia de Baja California--because the translation into English is in places really strange. If
you're hoping for stories of Don Pablo's personal experiences in either book, though, you'll be disappointed. He doesn't go in for that sort of thing.
His Guia Familiar is a valuable source of info, particularly for people whose ancestors arrived on the peninsula in early times. But his introduction
in the history book, which describes his treatment of the documents in the archives he worked with, is (to me, anyway) most surprising.
Lera
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Wow....
You have really written quite a bit AA, I will have to print your post to look at it very carefull and choose some books for me read. Thank you.
Bajalera, do you have any idea where I can find these books.. in spanish...
Antonio M.
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Try these:
http://www.libroslatinos.com
http://www.latinamericanbooks.com
http://www.astranbooks.com
http://www.panamericanbooks.com/
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libros latinos
Libros Latinos tends to be high priced.
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Thanks...
Thanks for all the tips you guys have given me. I really appreciate your help.
Antonio M.
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Hmmmm...#46 on your list seems out of place AA...
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#46
I know. Back in 1994, during the last baseball strike, I wrote an essay on the shift from the reserve clause system to free agency. In 1998, I went to
work at SUNY Oneonta, which co-sponers the annual symposium on baseball history and American society. My office mate, also a historian, specializes in
sports history, and he encouraged me to revise the essay and present at the symposium, which I did. I was raised in the Bay Area, and was and am a
Giants and Athletics fan, so it was natural to write about my teams in a wierd split market.
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Ugh.....Giants just finished piledriving the Dodgers....brutal.....
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