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Flying your plane to Baja ... IN 1963!
From the November, 1963 issue of Sunset Magazine, was this 4 page guide for private pilots... Pre-Arnold Senterfitt!
This article is out of the box of Baja papers that belonged to Choral Pepper (published Desert Magazine, authored many books, etc.) until her death,
in 2002. It was her wish that I have her photos and papers. She knew I would share it with you... See http://choralpepper.com Also see the Historic Intersts forum here on Nomad for Choral's writings...
In order to easily read the text, I have split each page into 2 to give a bigger look at the article... Enjoy!
[Edited on 11-11-2009 by David K]
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Bajahowodd
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Wow! That's really great stuff, David.
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David K
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Thank you.
You are a tough crowd to please... sometimes!
I have much more... the big Baja article mentioned in the pilots' guide above, included
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Great Article, thanks.........
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Ah, David. We really do appreciate so much that you post. You are a treasure to this forum. You just need to understand that when you venture into
political and present day cultural stuff, not only do few people have your back, but that you stand the chance of diminishing the value of your
quality work.
Maybe you should get an anonymous alter-ego name to post if you feel the need to get involved in the political and social foray. I'm serious. You post
some absolutely incredible stuff on here related to the history of Baja. I hope you continue to do so. And if you feel the need to chime in on
political and social issues, just remember that you have opened the door to attack. As is true with anyone who does the same.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Ah, David. We really do appreciate so much that you post. You are a treasure to this forum. You just need to understand that when you venture into
political and present day cultural stuff, not only do few people have your back, but that you stand the chance of diminishing the value of your
quality work.
Maybe you should get an anonymous alter-ego name to post if you feel the need to get involved in the political and social foray. I'm serious. You post
some absolutely incredible stuff on here related to the history of Baja. I hope you continue to do so. And if you feel the need to chime in on
political and social issues, just remember that you have opened the door to attack. As is true with anyone who does the same. |
Thanks for your thoughts...
Isn't kind of sad that those of us who are against big government must be silent (to be liked)... but the pro-socialism group can bring up their views
without contest? Think about it... Only my conservative replies get some here steamed... as if I have no right to reply. Why do liberals get a free
pass... is their argument so weak it requires such protection?
I don't know of anyplace I got 'political' that was not in response to something already posted here. Obviously, this is a forum for Baja talk and
subjects... not for the end of freedom in America.
Can't we all just read each other's posts and not make it a personal attack? If you don't agree, say so, if you must... but stick with the facts and
not personalities. Best to just ignore something you don't like then to spoil it for the rest... verdad?
Thank you... Now, how about the way it was in 1963 for travel to Baja, by air?
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noproblemo2
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David, I for one appreciate your posts as well as the knowledge and efforts you put into each. Thank You, S
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David K
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Thanks for reading and your kind response... !
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Thanks for reading and your kind response... ! |
You're Welcome....
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David:
Keep it up!! Jefferson said a couple of things that fit here: 1.) "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."
....and 2.)" When the people fear government there is tyranny. When government fears the people there is liberty."
There are always....and always!....people who will counsel you to remain silent and to hold you opinion and reason. They are among those who are
willing and anxious to trade security for liberty (as Franklin warned us against)......to trade peace, as defined by them, for someones else's
security. They are the current pervaders of "political correctness"...so called. They love to set the agenda for others and they are always very
liberal with other people's money.
The USA is faced now with a war between those of us who learned young and still remember what has made America unique in all of history and those who
want comfort above all and who are the helpers of the bunch that has plotted and planned to "fundamentally change America." You know their names. So
do the comfort seekers.....they simply would like to look the other way....not to offend...to be PC!
What do you think Jefferson would say about our current affairs? When we won our freedom the numbers were about as they are now: 33% were royalists
and like King George; 33% didn't give a damn and were busy "minding their own business" and 33% were wiling to risk their "Lives and sacred honor" to
achieve the liberty that we have enjoyed.
The guy who wants you to be PC and stay quiet obviously fits above.
Individual liberty!....Individual liberty....not "collective" well being....is based first on the freedom and the guts to say what needs to be said.
And there is a lot that needs to be said now....to awaken America to our uniqueness in the history of the world....and to call alarm at the drive to
destroy that uniqueness by lies and plots by "leaders"....and by the silence of those who love "peace and quiet."
Hang in there....keep it up!
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David:
And there is more: I have been a member of The Baja Bush Pilots for about 40 years and remember Arnold Senterfitt very well...He lived in Vista when
he wasn't in Baja. I have every one of his Baja books in my hangar where I can read them while I plan my next...and frequent... flight to Baja. I
have landed on a whole bunch of the air strips in his books. My airplane has been in Mexican airspace so much I almost don't have to steer it there.
But....the key here is for people look down from the airplane...or the border...and to wonder why Mexico has been so poor and why we have not
been....they have millions of hard working, religious, honest, good people. They have more warm water ports...and beaches...than just about any other
nation on earth. They have natural resources that rival any in the world. They should be prosperous beyond their dreams. What's the problem?
Individual liberty!...as codified in their laws. They have the "French legal system" in which people are guilty until proven innocent...among other
ills....some of which fall heavily under Jefferson's words about the people fearing the government and not the other way around....that fall heavily
on us too!!...if we don't wake up.
All you have to do is drive down Mex One or Mex five into Baja to see what it would take to ignite a roaring economy....fix the road, damnit......you
can't have commerce without transportation. Further, their legal system and leaders have not striven to do the things that our liberty made them do
since the industrial revolution...build roads, sewers, clean water, telephone systems, power systems and capitalistic distribution of products and
services.
The telephone is just one example of what happened here when "the government feared the people" (Jefferson). The government promoted the building of
the telephone system. The idea in 1880 was that the phone needed to be deployed "universally" and at a price in its simplest form that all could
afford....to call he cops and the doctor locally for free.
To do that the regulations required excess charges on such "luxuries" as long distance and about double the local rate on business phones where the
cost could be passed on to customers. The added revenue from these regulations, among many others, subsidized the almost free local service that
built commerce, public safety and health. If Mexico had that they would be rich!
Here are a couple of numbers to demonstrate the above: Before ATT was broken up the cost to provide a local telephone was about $28 per month. The
"rate" was about $3 per month... the subsidy covered the difference to promote local commerce, health and safety. The plan was pretty much the same
for water, sewers, electricity and roads. We are rich because of our liberty and laws!....not because we have plundered the rest of the world as
blatted loudly by the left.....and as ignored by those who flunked history and love comfort too much.
We have taught our children, too often, to hate our riches and to see them as ill gained. A big part of the reason for that is that their teachers
don't know much about the history above......We have let them get by with ignorance of the very things that make them rich and free.
Our economy is on the rocks in large part because hardly anyone knows what "the time value of money" is....or what their tax rate is....it's hard to
find a teacher who can explain "the net present value of future cash flows" or how an "internal rate of return" works and is important to managing a
household budget.
I know exactly how to lower taxes...require everyone to write a check for them once a month.....Washington DC would be burnt to the ground by us in
about 60 days if they didn't change.
"We have seen the enemy and he is us!" (Pogo)
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Ah, David. We really do appreciate so much that you post. You are a treasure to this forum. You just need to understand that when you venture into
political and present day cultural stuff, not only do few people have your back, but that you stand the chance of diminishing the value of your
quality work.
Maybe you should get an anonymous alter-ego name to post if you feel the need to get involved in the political and social foray. I'm serious. You post
some absolutely incredible stuff on here related to the history of Baja. I hope you continue to do so. And if you feel the need to chime in on
political and social issues, just remember that you have opened the door to attack. As is true with anyone who does the same. |
Thanks for your thoughts...
Isn't kind of sad that those of us who are against big government must be silent (to be liked)... but the pro-socialism group can bring up their views
without contest? Think about it... Only my conservative replies get some here steamed... as if I have no right to reply. Why do liberals get a free
pass... is their argument so weak it requires such protection?
I don't know of anyplace I got 'political' that was not in response to something already posted here. Obviously, this is a forum for Baja talk and
subjects... not for the end of freedom in America.
Can't we all just read each other's posts and not make it a personal attack? If you don't agree, say so, if you must... but stick with the facts and
not personalities. Best to just ignore something you don't like then to spoil it for the rest... verdad?
Thank you... Now, how about the way it was in 1963 for travel to Baja, by air? |
David,
I also appreciate the article and photos, and have mentioned several times before how I appreciate your help to other Nomads (including me on
occasion.)
RE: Your comments (quoted above). I generally mis-trust all governments (and religeons, for that matter). I also refuse to let political parties, or
hacks, or talking heads tell me what or how to think.... and I detest the current state of "NEWS" which is often mouthpiece for agenda, rather than
unbiased reporting of facts.
I especially resent what Bush did to true conservativism.... He was NOT a conservative, and he spent like a drunken sailor. He spent SEVERAL future
generations' income to bailout the rich.... In my mind Ex. Pres. GW Bush "Socialized" the debts of the ultra rich. Profit at the
top corporate and Wall Street was always the sacred cow to not touch, not regulate. . . etc. But their recklessness and consequential debt of course
had to be "socialized".
So.... if you're going to repeat the latest mantra of some of those talking heads (Fox News, Rush, and the lot...) which is "Socialism, Socialist
Totalitarianism" etc., or as you called it "Pro Socialism Group" . . . whatever or whomever that is ~ I respectfull ask . . . please include Ex. Pres.
GWB and Company in that group.
For the record, I don't like Pres. Obama's spending policies either....!
BTW. . . I believe that through respectful discourse and debate, a group of intelligent people with different views and opinions form better policies
and practices than a bunch of monoculture, monopolitical, cookie cutter sheep.
And . . . yes, we'd all do better to avoid the name calling and personal attacks and broad, shortsighted labels....
Thanks again for the photos and article.
"Choral Pepper (published Desert Magazine, authored many books, etc.) until her death, in 2002. It was her wish that I have her photos and papers. She
knew I would share it with you..."
She did well to entrust you with her photos and papers... :-).
Best.
djh
Its all just stuff and some numbers.
A day spent sailing isn\'t deducted from one\'s life.
Peace, Love, and Music
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Carlos Fiesta
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David;
Thanks for the unique photo and perspective of a by-gone Baja era. Sometimes we forget how difficult it used to be to reach most parts of Baja. I was
just reading an article about the original (pre-Transpeninsular Highway) Hotel Palmilla and that most of the guests arrived by small planes and landed
at the old airstrip there. The drive down option did not exist. Same thing with the old Hacianda and the airstrip/salt flat where the marina now sits.
Cool stuff!
And thanks for all you do to share your unique information about Baja with all of us!
Carlos
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great David!
thanks David. Ah, the good old days...no EAPIS crap to contend with.
Lets get back to the topic folks and not butcher the central message. Take the political part out and post a separate thread.
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David K
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Thanks guys... (and djh, yes... you are correct).
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DK - that was the best post you have done this year!
thx a bunch - i echo Bruce's comments.
gets my juices stirring to fire up and drink some mexican avgas....
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Thanks for a great post DK. Very interesting. I concur with your political commentary also. Keep it coming!
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Thanks David Again!!
Buck, I too have flown many hours in Baja , also met and talked to Arnold from 1968 onward. Even think it was you I met one time at Sant Innez when
you were picking up wter for the Beach at Gonzaga.
Your words are very well done and I agree whole heartley and think that if all the good thinking people with the Baptist, Methodist, Momorns, Cathloc,
and various religious groups get together they can throw some of those worthless Bums in Washington out and start over.
Now is the time for us old Farts to Start Fighting.
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What a great article on Baja flying.
Airplane, check; time machine, check; ready to go!
Thanks for the post Dave.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bonanza bucko
David:
And there is more: I have been a member of The Baja Bush Pilots for about 40 years and remember Arnold Senterfitt very well...He lived in Vista when
he wasn't in Baja. I have every one of his Baja books in my hangar where I can read them while I plan my next...and frequent... flight to Baja. I
have landed on a whole bunch of the air strips in his books. My airplane has been in Mexican airspace so much I almost don't have to steer it
there....
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I used to live up at Lake Wohlford (Escondido) and I heard Arnold used to keep his plane up there. A friend just got his pilot's license and we walked
up to that mountain top runway with my measuring wheel (used for irrigation designs)... As I was walking along mesuring the runway, a pilot in one of
the hangers shouted out "Arnold says it's 1500 feet" I knew who he meant, and I had to laugh as I explained to my friend why.
Pilots used to practice on that runway, which was a lot like an aircraft carrier, with drop offs on each end!
[Edited on 11-11-2009 by David K]
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