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Skeet/Loreto
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Airplane Anti-Theft Device for BAJA!!
O.K. All of you Nomads Flyers or Fisherman.
Lets see if we cannot make enough of a Stir to get some Smart Young Kid a desire to invent an Anti-Theft Device for small Aircraft going to Baja and
other parts of Mexico.
It can be done!
Contact all the Pilots you know. All the Fisherman you know that fly to Baja and other parts of Mexico.
If you have contact with people in the Insurance business, call them and ask for their Help.
Now all you Pilots get in and Help. Contact anyone who may be able give Information. Write Letters and e-mail AOPA , Plane and Pilot. Newspapers.
Baja is worth keeping Safe. Stoping the Thefts of Airplanes is just one Step Forward. It could develop into other things that lower our risks.
We can do it.
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wessongroup
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ditto's very good idea
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Pacifico
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Here's one way to clean it up......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpFGonYaF14
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MrBillM
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FAA-Approved ?
OR Not ? THAT would be the BIG problem.
However, MY suggestion would be something that doesn't affect actually modifying the plane.
How about a Motion-Sensor audible alarm along with a DYE BOMB ? Whole F--ing interior covered in Slime. Washable AFTER a time, of course. Better
than losing the plane.
Given human nature, though, there might be quite a few Pilot/Owners who forget and go BOOM.
It might also REALLY P--s off guys who often go around with AK-47s.
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monoloco
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How about some sort of spring loaded device that fits under the seat and goes right up the rectum of an unauthorized pilot at about 200ft.
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woody with a view
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say "ahhhh!"
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fishbuck
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"get some Smart Young Kid"
Okay Skeet, I'll start working on it right away!
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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steekers
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potential solution
check my post in the stolen plane thread!
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by steekers
check my post in the stolen plane thread! |
Originally posted by steekers
As one who flys to Baja, I offer the following:
The owners of the airport I visit will need to install a motion-detector that would alert me (or someone else if in early am) to any activity around
the plane. When detected, a series of alarms and cameras will be activated AND some very fierce dogs will be let out of their kennels. At this same
time, my very well hidden on-board tracking device will be activated and cannot be shut off. Failing all the above, an on-board fuel deprivation
system device will kick in and starve the engine fuel...down goes the plane!!!
Sound plausible?
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larryC
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This doesn't have to be complicated, why not remove something from the plane that will prevent the engine from starting, like the battery? I'm not a
pilot, but I am pretty mechanical so I am sure that there are other things that can be safely removed and replaced by a relativly competent pilot. Of
course each pilot would have to be the judge of what they are comfortable with. Maybe one of the wheel and tires, something visible so that the
thieves will go to another plane and steal it. Your plane doesn't have to be impossible to steal just harder than the next one,
Larry
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capt. mike
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this is all a waste of time.
if you fly a 200 series Cessna do not go to mexico, period until the problem is fixed.
if you have ANY concerns regardless of AC type.....do not fly to mexico, period.
dicking with the plane's systems is not the solution.
having proper insurance is a good idea regardless.
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Skeet/Loreto
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Mike:
There are many different kinds of Anti Theft Devices for Automobiles, why not Airplanes.
I have made contact with Cessna about them developing a device. I in no way suggested the pilot to try to do something on his own!!
We can control our Cars, our lights, our coffee pots, with a remote ,Why not the Ignition system of an Airplane:??
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ncampion
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In another post I suggested an inexpensive tracking device called the SPOT messenger. It is a handheld device that transmitts a signal to a sattelite
with it's GPS position. This can then be viewed by people (with a password) on any internet connected PC. It is designed for hikers, off-roaders or
other adventure mined people and also features a "911" feature which alerts rescue authorities. This device could be hidded and hard-wired to the
plane and would allow the owner to locate the stolen plane just about anywhere on the plante.
While this won't "prevent" the theft, after a couple of theives are caught and the planes recovered, it would sure deter future attempts. They are
cheap and small and can easily be hidden. I use one for my boat in case anyone decides to take an "unauthorized cruise".
http://www.offroute.com/product/view_product.asp?X_ID=149171
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Skeet/Loreto
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ncampion"
The regular person flying into Baja does not want to in any way shape or form try to engage the Thieves!!
Please
These people are professional Killers.
What I am talking about is a similar device that would activate a Chip installed in the ignition System therefore preventing the Aircraft from
Starting. The pilot would be the only one with the code Transmiter.
Do you know anybody connected with the maker of the "Spot" They may ber able to direct you to someone who could contact Cessna Corp. I feel sure they
would be looking to put such a device in their new Aircraft. Be a good selling point!!
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MrBillM
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Technological Innovation
Perhaps contract with Toyota to offer a version of their Electronic Ignition and Throttle system. Should work as well on an aircraft as it does on
some vehicles.
Being serious for a moment and realizing that the NUMBER of people who feel directly or indirectly involved with these particular events THINK it is a
problem of huge proportions, just how many units are involved as a percentage of General Aviation Flights/Hours ?
The thought that the people at Cessna, the FAA or anywhere else are waiting with rapt anticipation for an innovation to conquer these dastardly deeds
is Ludicrously Ego-Centric.
[Edited on 12-24-2009 by MrBillM]
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Skeet/Loreto
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Short Story: No names used;
Several years ago there was a Cessna 210 stolen from the Arizona area and taken across the border. It was being used in and around Navajo. One day it
was on a trip just North of Navajo when a Cessna 337 came along side and gave them a signal to land, then fired a shot that went through the Door of
the 210/
The 210 landed on a street in a very small village, the occupants jumped out and fled in a Green VW Bus. Airplane was left running until it ran out of
Fuel.
The Villagers finally moved the plane off the street and went about their busibess. Several months later an individual arrived with Aviation Fuel
Filled up and flew the Plane North across the Border underneath the Radar.
Insurance Company paid all Expenses returned the plane to its rightful owner.
The stolen plane Bunch are well organized. Do not mess with them.
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DavidT
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How about an autopilot like the military drones. And a hidden video camera to see the pilots face.
David
Not one shred of evidence supports the notion that life is serious.
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capt. mike
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simple..... it's the FAA - not here to help GA
| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Mike:
There are many different kinds of Anti Theft Devices for Automobiles, why not Airplanes.
I have made contact with Cessna about them developing a device. I in no way suggested the pilot to try to do something on his own!!
We can control our Cars, our lights, our coffee pots, with a remote ,Why not the Ignition system of an Airplane:?? |
getting them to certify, STC or TSO any part or aftermarket or new parts ad nauseum is ridiculously time consuming and expensive.
never happen - no market to justify the punitive capital investment.
you're ideas are well meaning Skeet but simply not pragmatic today.
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Santiago
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
The 210 landed on a street in a very small village, the occupants jumped out and fled in a Green VW Bus.
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Good story Skeet, you write it as if you were there.... I would change it to read "drove away" as fleeing in a VW bus just isn't possible.
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larryC
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Capt Mike is right in that there is probably no way in the world to get the FAA to authorize an aftermarket device. Any solutions we came up with
would be for indiviual pilots to use as a deterent for their own airplane.
Another device I thought of, which would not alter the aircraft or its systems in any way would be a simple wire with an aligator clip on each end.
Clip the wire somewhere to ground out the ignition system so the plane won't start. When you are ready to fly home just unclip the wire and put it
into your pocket and your plane is back to original. I doubt the thieves, if they tried to steal a plane with the ignition grounded would take the
time to find the fault. Quien sabe?
Anyway it might work for a pilot that knows a little about the ignition system on his plane.
Larry
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