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Woooosh
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Baja Norte narco turf war situation- what next?
Well, we know the local troublemakers and opportunists are out in force in the North border region of Baja. Lot's more burglaries, home invasions,
store robberies, and crimes of opportunity lately because these c-ckroaches are too lazy to work but still need to support their families.
I'm more worried about this insecurity getting much worse very soon. This weeks Zeta reports the Sinaloa Cartel has heavily guarded poppy and
marijuana fields in Ensenada. Marinate on that for a second. Fields of poppies for local opium production in Ensenada.
They also report an escalating Ensenada turf war between the Sinaloa (with amigo El Teo) and the Bertran Levy cartel.
Then 43 were arrested yesterday including a high level PGJE official for transmitting classified information to the CAF on the operations and arrests
of their opponents. He was THE trusted TJ/USA drug liaison ( and was ironically arrested in San Diego when he showed up at Police HQ for a joint
task force meeting yesterday). This guy had computer database access to the CHP, SD Police Department, SD County Sheriff's Department and the Los
Angeles Police Department. He fed this info to the cartel.
So the top Mexican Justice PGJE/USA drug guy in Baja Norte was on the CAF payroll all this time? Wasn't the CAF supposed to have been fragmented,
crippled and diminished after the older Arrelano brothers were arrested years ago? Guess not- they had the real power through pure intel and they
acted on it.
So here in Baja Norte we now have the CAF, the Sinaloa cartel (and what's left of El Teo's group), and the Bertran Levy groups getting ready to do
battle here to own our tourist-rich "TJ PLaza" smuggling corridor worth $Billions and $Billions a year. That's one more cartel in this new narco
turf war than the last narco crime wave two years ago.
And now they are cultivating the Marijuana and Poppies in Ensenada (to be transformed into heroin at some point you would have to assume). Why be the
middle man forever the Sinaloa cartel is saying. Hecho en Mexico! This cannot happen without corruption permeating all the top levels of every
agency. It's huge huge money and too much temptation for them all (they'll find a number that works for you or threaten to kill your family)
Get this- The man arrested from the Tijuana Police Anti-kidnapping division was playing both sides. How much worse off were desperate families who
trusted the gov't and reported kidnappings to this corrupt police division working with the cartels? How many TJ businessmen did they identify, set
up and kidnap- forcing them to close shop and flee to Chula Vista for safety? How many jobs were lost and serious economic damage to the businesses
of TJ and Rosarito by their own top level officials- all out of greed?
I'm going to have to marinate on this myself for a while. It's a lot to take in with far reaching implications into our lives here.
[Edited on 7-25-2010 by Woooosh]
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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JESSE
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Nothing new, Sinaloa has always been present in the region, most of the robberies and burglaries are due to the bad economy, the arrests of officials
isn't new at all. After Teo's arrest, things are back to "normal" to a certain degree in the region. Regular murders but no decapitated bodies in
mainstreet, wich terrorized the region. Rich Tijuana' people who fled to SD are investing again, that should be a very important meter for how things
are in the area, those people know the in and outs of the problems in the area better than anybody else. If they are investing, they know something we
don't.
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I always keep in mind that we are a lot less likely to see Beltran Leyva involvement in local burglaries and more independents working because la
julia doesn't want to stick its nose is too many issues these days. It's the lack of cops that is causing a lot of the problems --- "Oh excuse me sir,
you are not under arrest; I thought you were an independent".
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Bajajorge
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The Sinaloa bunch is quite previlent all over the place. They can also be seen around in parts of the US. 
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
I'm more worried about this insecurity getting much worse very soon. This weeks Zeta reports the Sinaloa Cartel has heavily guarded poppy and
marijuana fields in Ensenada. Marinate on that for a second. Fields of poppies for local opium production in Ensenada.
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Like Jesse said, it's nothing new although it's not in the tourism brochures, so who would know.
Over ten years ago, I had a buddy who lived in the city by a motel that catered to the locals and it was constantly booked solid with federal agents
from DF. It was unusual to see on the streets in those days, but these guys were armed to the teeth and would spend their time fire-fighting with the
growers in Valle De Trinidad. It was just one of those things that the public ignored.
In my opinion, the problem has been ignored so long that it has grown to unmanageable proportions. It's no longer feasible to try and control the
supplier and it's clear that they are controlling us.
Now, all we have left is to control the consumer. Too many to incarcerate so we have to legalize the product. I had hoped it would never come to
this, but there's no other way out of this mess.
This "war on drugs" in Mexico is so parallel to the take-over of South Viet Nam by the North that it's frightening
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knuckles
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Dennis:
Thanks for your insight. It has been in the air that things are gearing up again. The small time stuff is just to tide everyone over until the
cartels beef up their employment rolls again. I could never explain it myself, its just a feeling you get around town.
Appreciate your translation and opinion without the venom.
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noproblemo2
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It's all very alarming but do agree with Dennis it is time to legalize the stuff and start taxing it, might help pay off some soaring debts, cut down
the prison populations and take a burden from the taxpayers from feeding and housing them..
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lookingandbuying
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What's the benefit of taxing and legalizing??
I just don't see how taxing the stuff, or legalizing it, is really going to make any difference. The only difference I see would be a lot more zombie
dope users that are a drag on the rest of the population. Even if you argue that by taxing it we could use the money to treat users I would think
there would still be a black market as the bad dudes don't want to make the government a partner to share the profits with.
Once it is legalized and taxed these bad guys running the stuff will be on fortunes 500 richest people in the world list. But, they are bad guys and
will continue to do what bad guys do.
So, I guess my question is: what is the benefit of either taxing or legalizing dope AND which stuff do we legalize and tax? All of it?? This is the
mere decay of society and there must be a better answer.
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Right.
Look at all those drunks that "suddenly" emerged after prohibition was repealed...
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lookingandbuying
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Weak
| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGringo
Right.
Look at all those drunks that "suddenly" emerged after prohibition was repealed...
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Weak point.
Alcohol = Heroin??
Next...
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MsTerieus
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGringo
Right.
Look at all those drunks that "suddenly" emerged after prohibition was repealed...
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Alcohol is not nearly as addictive as heroin, crack, etc.
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MsTerieus
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| Quote: | Originally posted by lookingandbuying
| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGringo
Right.
Look at all those drunks that "suddenly" emerged after prohibition was repealed...
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Weak point.
Alcohol = Heroin??
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You owe me a coke, Looking. (As in "coca cola"). Great minds think alike. 
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wessongroup
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and not as much fun...
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lookingandbuying
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Join them?
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and not as much fun... |
I agree!! Wondering if I should join the meth heads along the corridor??
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DENNIS
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Why does there always have to be a government profit motive? The predominant motive now is to stop the insurgency in Mexico which is taking place
today.
Do you folks up north have any idea what your life will be like if...no...when mafias control your southern neighbor and your population is infested
with soldiers of their army?
Do you?
Think about it, you fools.
Wake up.
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BajaGringo
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So cigarettes are highly addictive; many studies showing that it is easier to kick heroin than tobacco. So we should make those coffin sticks illegal
too. I say we make anything that can hurt us illegal.
I vote we start with fast food and pizza...
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lookingandbuying
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Today
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Why does there always have to be a government profit motive? The predominant motive now is to stop the insurgency in Mexico which is taking place
today.
Do you folks up north have any idea what your life will be like if...no...when mafias control your southern neighbor and your population is infested
with soldiers of their army?
Do you?
Think about it, you fools.
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Is this not what we have today, as a reality?
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lookingandbuying
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Change
| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGringo
So cigarettes are highly addictive; many studies showing that it is easier to kick heroin than tobacco. So we should make those coffin sticks illegal
too. I say we make anything that can hurt us illegal.
I vote we start with fast food and pizza... |
For me, I personally don't care if people take acid with their coffee in the morning instead of milk. I just don't see how legalizing or taxing drugs
is going to change the current situation. My point, if there is a tax why would the bad guys pay it? Especially if the tax is high. It would
benefit them to operate in the black market, as they are now.
And about the pizzas and fat people...they are NOW passing laws daily about this stuff...go figure??
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MsTerieus
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| Quote: | Originally posted by lookingandbuying
| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGringo
So cigarettes are highly addictive; many studies showing that it is easier to kick heroin than tobacco. So we should make those coffin sticks illegal
too. I say we make anything that can hurt us illegal.
I vote we start with fast food and pizza... |
For me, I personally don't care if people take acid with their coffee in the morning instead of milk. I just don't see how legalizing or taxing drugs
is going to change the current situation. My point, if there is a tax why would the bad guys pay it? Especially if the tax is high. It would
benefit them to operate in the black market, as they are now.
And about the pizzas and fat people...they are NOW passing laws daily about this stuff...go figure?? |
Thoughts off the top of my head (i.e., I don't even know what side of the argument this will take me to):
* Hmmm: As for cigarettes -- I think the raising of prices (in addition to social pressure and advertising about health risks) has actually reduced
ciggy consumption.
* The higher cigarette costs don't seem to have spurred a big black market.
* If people could get drugs legally, I think many would do so, rather than elect to get a discount by getting them illegally, and risking prosecution.
Plus, I don't know how great a discount cartels could offer and still make good profits.
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lookingandbuying
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Strike Three!!!
| Quote: | Originally posted by MsTerieus
* Hmmm: As for cigarettes -- I think the raising of prices (in addition to social pressure and advertising about health risks) has actually reduced
ciggy consumption.
* The higher cigarette costs don't seem to have spurred a big black market.
* If people could get drugs legally, I think many would do so, rather than elect to get a discount by getting them illegally, and risking prosecution.
Plus, I don't know how great a discount cartels could offer and still make good profits. |
WRONG!!! On all three counts of "things off the top of your head". There is a HUGE black market in cigarettes! And, people don't really seem to be
bothered by breaking the current laws in both buying and trafficing in drugs. Is this going to all of a sudden change??
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