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[*] posted on 10-19-2010 at 02:50 PM
SAN JUAN DE DIOS 30°10'57.6" -115°10'04.5"


Some images of the visita to the San Fernando Velicata mission.

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Photo by Clyde McMorrow published in 1973




Two photos by David K from July, 2000:






Four photos by Jack Swords from Nov., 2003:









The site was destroyed by a farmer, plowing the area who couldn't perserve the 100' x 50' area containing the 225 year old ruins.


David M took the following photos in 2008:



















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[*] posted on 10-19-2010 at 03:39 PM
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1962:



Hwy. 1 late 1973 added:



My sketch of the site following my last visit in Nov. 2002:





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[*] posted on 6-18-2011 at 11:59 AM


Any Nomads been there recently?



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[*] posted on 6-18-2011 at 12:13 PM


I'd be interested in seeing what was planted. I'm heading into that area, hopefully, in the late fall/early winter so I could take photos then.
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[*] posted on 7-20-2011 at 11:20 PM


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I'd be interested in seeing what was planted. I'm heading into that area, hopefully, in the late fall/early winter so I could take photos then.


Great Steve... Some panorama shots would be nice to see. I also saw a road on Google Earth that gets pretty close to the base of Matomi Mountain... on the southwest slope.




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[*] posted on 11-19-2012 at 09:19 AM


Steve, or anyone else have recent photos of the area that was once the mission visita, destroyed by a farmer's tractor?



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[*] posted on 11-19-2012 at 05:14 PM


what a shame ... that is what a lack of education produces ... I am sure the farmer had no clue of the loss he was creating.



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[*] posted on 11-19-2012 at 05:36 PM


Seriously... and it isn't like he needed that small area of the big plain he was plowing... it could have been saved with any common sense... and sadly, it is probably someone hired by the Espinoza family... Mama's son Sony is the one who showed me the site in July, 2000... as it was hidden by shrubs, but very close to the road between the San Juan de Dios river crossing/ oasis and Mama's ranch home, El Metate.. just down the road.



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[*] posted on 11-20-2012 at 09:25 AM


Historic preservation in Mexico is always an issue, and there are literally thousands of sites that INAH theoretically has responsibility for that are not protected, There are some 38,000 archaeological sites in Mexico, and most are unprotected and undeveloped. In my many visits to colonial sites, I have seen many examples of local ignorance that has resulted in the destruction of architectural or artistic patrimony. At one convent in Hidalgo, the local parish has converted the convent into a museum. There are priceless and bueatiful polychrome murals that date to the 16th century. To identify a number of the murals, the museum personnel scarped away sections of the murals to put small signs. They have placed light directly above the murals, which causes them to fade. I have also seen examples of the sacristan having used tape to put a sign up, but placed the sign on a mural. When I questions the sacristan, he said they use powerful cleaners to clean off the mural after they remove the tape. Unfortunately, Mexico does not have the luxury or the resources to protect the thousands of historic sites in the country.
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[*] posted on 11-20-2012 at 12:07 PM


Thanks for the reply Robert!

Here is San Juan de Dios on the 1974 Auto Club Map... note is is called a 'mission ruin' and in the correct place.



Visitas were indeed missions when ever the Padre from the 'head' mission 'visited' them on his rounds. Most of the missions had several visitas as satellites to the head mission as places where food could be raised and homes for the numbers of neophytes that were greater than the head mission could support.




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[*] posted on 11-20-2012 at 12:48 PM


Never made it last fall David but its top of the list for this winter.
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[*] posted on 11-20-2012 at 06:09 PM


I look forward to the photos... if you could do a 360 panorama from the road, close to where the visita was (just at the top of the climb from the arroyo crossing)... I would appreciate it!



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[*] posted on 1-29-2013 at 12:50 AM


BAJA'S recently lost historic treasures such as the mission visita should be marked out with survey stakes and caution tape so these cowboys and farmers who need more than their common sense to avoid destroying 250 year Holy Ruins. The three mission sites of Santo Tomas are still visible, but only the third site has standing walls. None of the three at Santo Tomas have received any INAH preservation because of disputes with land owners of the sites.



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[*] posted on 1-29-2013 at 06:00 PM


In our book (The Old Missions of Baja & Alta California 1697-1834), we describe what was a 'visita', but there are so many, we decided to not include naming them or including them (unless they became full missions). In my Baja Missions web site, I have a section on just visitas of Baja California to show ones there are photographs of: http://vivabaja.com/missions3

Thank goodness for the photos that have 'preserved' the sites visually where it has been destroyed physically!




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[*] posted on 2-22-2013 at 07:55 PM
2003 Google Earth Shows the Visita Ruins!


Google Earth High Definition just got a bit wider in one strip of Baja images, and the mission visita site of San Juan de Dios (destroyed by a farmer in 2008) can now be easily seen from space in these 2003 images...


North is at the top, the road crosses the riverbed on the west side of the ruins and the palms are across the road from the ruins. The road heads east to El Metate, 2.5 miles away. The white diamond is on the north end of the ruin.


Looking west.


Looking south.


Looking east... note the blurry area begins just east (lower resolution images. The label was removed for this image.


Back north. Saved by photography, plowed over by farmer.




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[*] posted on 2-23-2013 at 07:57 AM


Still awaiting current photographs of the site. Be interested to know if any rubble is left.
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[*] posted on 2-23-2013 at 08:52 AM


Too bad there isn't a program that could identify and mark (as you mentioned above) the sites of the ruins, and then pay the farmers not to damage the remains. I doubt that the farmers will benefit from the added tilled land very much, so the renumeration could just be a few pesos.

Interesting that in this case he destroyed the remaining adobe, but left the foundation (right?) stones in place. Too hard to plow around the walls, and also too hard to stone-boat the rocks away?

Amazing job finding the place David! Lot's of contacts and detective work pay off.
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[*] posted on 2-23-2013 at 10:37 AM


It was Sony Espinoza (one of Mama's boys) who showed me the site when we were camping in the palm grove by the creek... it was so well hidden, yet next to the road... You really got to look around! Google Earth is great for exploring as it has more areas with higher resolution shown.



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[*] posted on 6-15-2013 at 08:02 PM


Hoping to see some wide view photos of the site from anyone who has been their since 2008.



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[*] posted on 1-23-2014 at 11:34 AM


Bump... looking for new photos of the destroyed site...



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