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landyacht318
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Does Pemex add ethanol?
Just wondering if Pemexes near the border regions are buying gas from the US, and if it contains ethanol.
One of the highest mileage tanks of gas I ever bought was in El Rosario, and I attributed it not having ethanol. I always found my 318 TBI runs good
on Pemex, but I have not been SOB in too long.
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sanquintinsince73
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They may be adding something. Last month I got a full tank in San Vicente on my suburban (40 gallons) and I got around 500 miles out of it. It's
always been my personal experience that Mexican gas is very low quality and it's never given me lots of mileage or power. Maybe they just stopped
watering it down?
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landyacht318... in northern Baja, sometimes Pemex distributes fuel that comes from the States... however, as far as I know, there is no ethanol
content on any Pemex fuel, at least I have never seen it in the lab reports of any shipments we have received at BajaCactus... I will confirm this
data for you in the next few days.
Regarding your high mileage with our fuel at BajaCactus... I believe the reason was that you just bought your fuel in the right place... 
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Ethanol does a number on small engines, causes some of the nonmetal parts to become mush. The higher the percentage of ethonal the quicker the
reaction.
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Ethanol reduces fuel milage, you may have gotten better milage due to the lack of ethanol.
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I put premium in in El Rasario on the way up and although it costs more the extra milage was noticeable. I need a smog check for the d*mn
registration.
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Pemex is pure gasoline and my best mileage figures come after filling up in El Rosario and then having the long drive home from there.
I post on Tacoma World forums and there are frequent gas mileage threads comparing what we get. Because there are several models of Tacomas (2 door/ 4
door/ 4 cyl/ V-6/ manual/ automatic/ 2WD or 4WD), lots to compare. My current average is 16.7 mpg and my best highway mileage (in Baja) was 19 1/2
mpg... 4 door, V-6, automatic, 4WD.
Anyway, there is a web site called http://www.Fuelly.com where you can enter your fill up amounts and it will track your mileage and expenses and post your mileage on your signature
on forums.
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as reported by:www.rversonline.org/ArtMexFuels.html in Oct 2009
Nearly 2/3 of the gasoline sold by PEMEX in the northern half of the country is refined and imported from the USA. In particular PEMEX invested $1B
for a 50% interest in the Shell Deer Park TX refining facility: abarrelfull.wikidot.com/deer-park-refining-ltd
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| Quote: | Originally posted by durrelllrobert
as reported by:www.rversonline.org/ArtMexFuels.html in Oct 2009
Nearly 2/3 of the gasoline sold by PEMEX in the northern half of the country is refined and imported from the USA. In particular PEMEX invested $1B
for a 50% interest in the Shell Deer Park TX refining facility: abarrelfull.wikidot.com/deer-park-refining-ltd |
That the stuff is refined in Texas doesn't necessarily mean it comes with ethanol. In fact, ethanol adds to the price. Don't think Pemex would want
that. Ethanol is a ridiculous scam. It decreases efficiency- thereby mileage. It's the most blatant farm subsidy around, and serves to drive up the
cost of many other foods.
That said, I've always gotten a chuckle when watching TV commercials where the various brands claim special additives to their gas, when virtually all
the stations in my area have their gas delivered in unbranded trucks that fill from a central terminal. In other words, it's all the same.
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I noticed a sign on the pumps the other day at Costco San Diego that reads "Contains 10% Ethanol" just for a referance.
Haven't had a bad trip yet....
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ethanol, bush tax cuts for the rich
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Pemex is pure gasoline... |
99.9% pure?
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Ethanol is a ridiculous scam. It decreases efficiency- thereby mileage. It's the most blatant farm subsidy around, and serves to drive up the cost of
many other foods....
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scam? perhaps.... "A federal subsidy of 45 cents a gallon for blending ethanol into gasoline and a 54-cent per gallon tariff on imported ethanol"
is that true?
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Let the ethanol wars begin.
Shortly after a bipartisan group of senators circulated a letter calling for an end to federal ethanol subsidies and tariffs this week, a group of
Corn Belt senators have released their own declaration calling for renewal of the measures.
A federal subsidy of 45 cents a gallon for blending ethanol into gasoline and a 54-cent per gallon tariff on imported ethanol will both expire
automatically at the end of the year without Congressional action. A bill introduced in April by Charles Grassley, Republican of Iowa, and Kent
Conrad, Democrat of North Dakota, would extend the measures until 2015.
“Ethanol has proven its value as a homegrown, renewable fuel and, in light of the hundreds of billions of dollars shipped abroad as a result of
foreign oil dependence, ethanol is a relative bargain,” Mr. Grassley said in a statement accompanying the letter.
The letter was signed by 16 senators, including Al Franken, Democrat of Minnesota, and John Thune, Republican of South Dakota.
Opponents of the ethanol subsidy and tariffs call them unnecessary to support a mature industry and a waste of money at a time of deep fiscal crisis.
Ethanol sales continue to climb in the United States and are expected to reach nearly 14 billion gallons in 2011, according to the Environmental
Protection Agency.
Federal law requires that renewable fuels account for 8 percent of the motor fuels to be sold next year. The same law mandates that ethanol production
in the United States climb to 36 billion gallons per year by 2022.
Ethanol from sugar-growing countries like Brazil is cheaper to produce than domestic ethanol, made largely from corn, and dropping the tariff and
subsidy would likely result in a significant drop in domestic production.
“Our country is spending over $730 million a day on imported petroleum this year, money that often ended up in the hands of unstable or unfriendly
governments,” Mr. Conrad said in a statement. “This is not the time to reduce the supply of a domestic source of fuel and place at greater risk the
thousands of well-paying jobs that the renewable fuels industry has created.”
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if we keep the ethanol subsidies, we need to eliminate the bush tax cuts for the rich 
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Everywhere I've seen lately in NM, AZ and Calif have ethanol added according to the stickers on the pumps.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Pemex is pure gasoline... |
99.9% pure?
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Ethanol is a ridiculous scam. It decreases efficiency- thereby mileage. It's the most blatant farm subsidy around, and serves to drive up the cost of
many other foods....
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scam? perhaps.... "A federal subsidy of 45 cents a gallon for blending ethanol into gasoline and a 54-cent per gallon tariff on imported ethanol"
is that true?
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Let the ethanol wars begin.
Shortly after a bipartisan group of senators circulated a letter calling for an end to federal ethanol subsidies and tariffs this week, a group of
Corn Belt senators have released their own declaration calling for renewal of the measures.
A federal subsidy of 45 cents a gallon for blending ethanol into gasoline and a 54-cent per gallon tariff on imported ethanol will both expire
automatically at the end of the year without Congressional action. A bill introduced in April by Charles Grassley, Republican of Iowa, and Kent
Conrad, Democrat of North Dakota, would extend the measures until 2015.
“Ethanol has proven its value as a homegrown, renewable fuel and, in light of the hundreds of billions of dollars shipped abroad as a result of
foreign oil dependence, ethanol is a relative bargain,” Mr. Grassley said in a statement accompanying the letter.
The letter was signed by 16 senators, including Al Franken, Democrat of Minnesota, and John Thune, Republican of South Dakota.
Opponents of the ethanol subsidy and tariffs call them unnecessary to support a mature industry and a waste of money at a time of deep fiscal crisis.
Ethanol sales continue to climb in the United States and are expected to reach nearly 14 billion gallons in 2011, according to the Environmental
Protection Agency.
Federal law requires that renewable fuels account for 8 percent of the motor fuels to be sold next year. The same law mandates that ethanol production
in the United States climb to 36 billion gallons per year by 2022.
Ethanol from sugar-growing countries like Brazil is cheaper to produce than domestic ethanol, made largely from corn, and dropping the tariff and
subsidy would likely result in a significant drop in domestic production.
“Our country is spending over $730 million a day on imported petroleum this year, money that often ended up in the hands of unstable or unfriendly
governments,” Mr. Conrad said in a statement. “This is not the time to reduce the supply of a domestic source of fuel and place at greater risk the
thousands of well-paying jobs that the renewable fuels industry has created.”
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A key issue is that ethanol from corn is way inefficient. Brazil has been quite successful in their Sugar cane to ethanol program. The US, with the
exception of Hawaii, and perhaps Puerto Rico, does not have a climate for growing cane. You might wish to research what it takes in other fuel costs
to produce ethanol. It has always been nothing more than major pork for corn farmers.
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landyacht318
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Thanks for the replies.
While I think a local renewable fuel supply is good, I do not want ethanol in my Gas.
I am wondering how the addition of ethanol changes the level to which gasoline is refined. Ethanol does raise the octane level. So since we are
getting 10%, and possibly more in our Gas NOB, yet the octane levels are not higher, one might think the gas is refined to less of a level, then the
ethanol added to make octane ratings.
So perhaps it is just another case of more money in the oil companies pockets.
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It is a l-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-n-g way from the nearest refinery to Baja California.
Celaya to El Rosario would probably tally sixteen hundred miles even by ferry and no trucks no pipas go further north than Jesus Maria and possibly
Bahia Gonzaga. To go around would about double the distance. Pemex wouldn't spend that kind of money for transportation, period.
Petroleos Mexicanos according to the engineers I talked with at the Villahermosa Tabasco refinery, said fuel imported Magna from the states contains
the barest minimum of additives, except for MDA, metal deactivator.
Every drop of Pemex Premium is imported and it has "more" additives than Magna.
I've found that an occasional shot of Chevron TECHRON makes even blah ordinary Magna into darn good gasoline.
I cannot even begin to describe the days of Mexolina, and Nova Super. I could have sworn that you could have poured a gallon out onto the ground,
start lighting matches and three of four would fizzle before igniting the "gasoline".
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Wasn't the original Nova listed on the pump as 81 octane? 
I remember fiddling around with my distributor whenever I'd go to Mexico in the late 70s and early 80s. Cant remember if I advanced or retarded the
spark. I do remember lots of "clattering". I brought a lot of 104 octane boost with me after a while.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
I've always gotten a chuckle when watching TV commercials where the various brands claim special additives to their gas, when virtually all the
stations in my area have their gas delivered in unbranded trucks that fill from a central terminal. |
And that central terminal also has the additives for each brand in their (much smaller) separate tanks. The additives are injected into the fuel when
the truck is loaded at the rack. You're semi-correct... same gasoline in these markets, but still different additives.
Examples of cities in California that are setup like this include El Centro, San Jose, etc.
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Unless something's changed in the past few years (and I'm doubtful it has), there is no Pemex refinery on the west coast producing gasoline. Only
diesel. So, unless there's a pipeline now bringing gasoline (or more of it) to the west coast (or a refinery producing it), the majority of the
gasoline for this area is imported from the USA (Los Angeles) via ship. If I recall, there are pipelines running between Texas and northern Mexico.
Things could've changed. I haven't been following this much in the past 10+ years.
http://www.theodora.com/pipelines/mexico_pipelines.html
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Doug: There is a refinery in La Paz. It's not just a depot. I have asked Pemex employees. We see the cracking towers every time we drive to Tecolote
Beach. The tanker ships bring crude from the mainland to refine there for Baja.
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BTW:
I have been using PEMEX aviation gas for about 40 years and I have never had a problem with it.
The only threat to flight safety coming from PEMEX is a line guy fueling your airplane with JET-A...kerosene..while you go into the terminal for paper
work and coffee. You gotta watch them. And you gotta watch them in the USA too because we have almost as many illiterate and dumb gas pumper here as
they have there.
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