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Germanicus
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To david K: leaving the p[olitics out of this thread is one thing and is agreed, but earnin an extra beer at our meeting is another challange:
Kyoto was NOT about money the US hav to pay.
Kyoto was the try of most of the worlds nations to get control of global warming.
Under the umbrella of the UN, signing the Kyoto treaty means to renounce / dispense certain gases etc in the country signing the treaty.
Our Commander of Stupidity did cancel the treaty because he was perssured from lobbyists. No money involved.
If you want to veryfy, go to: http://unfccc.int/resource/convkp.html
UNFCCC means United Nations Framework on Climate Control.
Nobody was asking the U.S. to spend money.
Just signing the treaty and helping to help the world.
But anyway, The U.S. are the world greatest singe polluter nation, but do not want to pay the biggest shunk to clean the world up.
Did I earn an extra beer now??
Germanicus
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wilderone
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A little off topic here, but could I ask you all to get ahold of the Sept. 04 National Geographic and read the global warming article. It will
astound you.
http://magma.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0409/feature1/
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David K
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Just one volcanic eruption can produce more greenhouse gasses then all of man's leaking freon, hair sprays, and exhaust fumes... There are several
volcanic eruptions each year and there is still ozone overhead... Nature takes care of itself and FAR more powerful than mankind.
Global Warming and Global Cooling has been going on since time began and in no way can our tiny time on this planet (measuring temperatures) give us
the credentials to determin if what we have is normal or not normal. Since there was global warming (after the last ice age) long before factories and
automobiles, how can you blame anything like this on man?
In fact, as you see, it is blaming the United States that this nonesense is all about... The former communists, became socialists, became Greens and
the fringe left of the Democrat party all want to destroy capitalism which is what gives people hope and prosperity... why people come to America. Why
we are the last hope for a free world. Being like France or any socialist country is the LAST thing anyone who loves America should want...
Oh, the seven trash cans sounds lovely... more freedom lost to an oppressive government. Have you followed the seven trash trucks to their
destination? Wouldn't surprise me to see it all go to the same land fill! However, now you have seven times more government employees to manage your
trash... What is that tax rate in Europe??? Where do you live now???
That will be TWO extra beers my Arian friend!
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Tucker
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So....
does that mean that we should all go stand in a volcano since we are going to die anyhow?
\"I think it would be a good idea.\"
-- Mahatma Gandhi, when asked what he thought of Western civilization
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Germanicus
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well David, you lost one beer again, because I'm not an Arien.
But don't you worry about two, five, seven or eleven beer.
We'll have enough.
G.
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wilderone
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Nature cannot take care of itself when human beings keep interfering at the rate they have been - especially in OUR generation. Only the past 30 years
or so has wreaked havoc on our planet. Only small fractions of our forests remain - most of cut in the past 50 years; how many billions of
automobiles have been spewing exhaust in the past 70 years? etc, etc. Learn the facts. Human beings have made a mess and it's time to clean it up.
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Mexitron
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As I posted somtime before, as far as CO2 goes, the US contributes very little, net, to the world's atmosphere, since we
1-are constantly cutting down forests and planting new ones(a cut tree is carbon taken out of the system and locked unless composted or burned. New
forests gobble up lots more Co2 than mature forests)
2-The eastern farmlands are returning to forest.
3-the advantage of the disposable society: anything carbon based(paper plates, wood, grass clippings, newspapers, etc.) thrown in a landfill is CO2
taken out of the system, since modern landfills are anaerobic. Ironically, the environmentalist today often religiously composts their refuse which
re-releases CO2 back into the system.
4-we use massive amounts of fertilizers on our crops leading to high rates of growth which also soaks up CO2.
Tests were done and written up in the Journal of Nature which corroberate this.
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pappy
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out of dumbness and curiosity, what gas(if any) is released when i crack open a fresh Tecate??
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jrbaja
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Today
I will be meeting with some brujas. Topic of conversation, casting spells on any who change the direction of my posts
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Natalie Ann
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Brujas
Don't need to meet with some, JR, ya already know one.... and the force is with ya, amigo.
BTW - where are you? I thought you'd just left.
Be yourself, everyone else is already taken.
.....Oscar Wilde
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jrbaja
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I'm at Tuckers
Left Rosarito at 8:00am Tuesday. 1st stop pretzels in Ensenada, 2nd stop, bicycles in Maneadero, 3rd stop, met with Antonio in El Rosario for GPS
coordinates and stuff.
18 hours to Requeson for the night and then to La Paz yesterday. Early dinner ala Charles and a nights rest before trying to find Lera and then
down for mangos and bamboo.
bamboo rack survived the first 800 miles of (the baja)
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Bob H
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jrbaja
18 hours to Requeson for the night ... bamboo rack survived the first 800 miles of (the baja) |
JR, will be interested to know if any construction has started around Requeson. And, as far as the bamboo rack surviving... Audrey and I saw and
actually touched that rack - in our opinion it ain't going anywhere. Strong like bull!
Bob H
The SAME boiling water that softens the potato hardens the egg. It's about what you are made of NOT the circumstance.
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Natalie Ann
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 Given the load on that truck, you flew! Musta been that Mercury thing
Hi to Lera. Hi to Tucker. And leave a coupla mangos there for me, por favor.
Be yourself, everyone else is already taken.
.....Oscar Wilde
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Baja Bernie
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JR, Gernanicus, and Mexitron
I have been reading this thread for the past two days and have been wondering if I should chime in. JR started the post with some very good points
BUT it was soon hijacked by our German friend who began to show his 'lack' of green credientals by talking about destroying native plants in Texas by
flooding them with desiel and setting them on fire. In the next breath he castigates our President by claiming that he refused to sign the Kiote (his
spelling) treaty. Guess he has no way of knowing that the Congress approves Treaties in the United States and they rejected this one as did several
other major nations.
Mexitorn then came aboard with some very good references about knowledge around the world.
David K then suggested to our German friend that his poliitical statements should be placed on the 'off topic board' Germanicus agreed with this and
then continued to spew political statements here.
Sad! I also get angry when some unthinking individual hijacks a thread for his own purposes ( or he does not even realize that he is destroying a
very good, flowing conversation).
Anyway, We started started helping the kids without parents in La Mison in 1964 and as of 2004 we continue to help a kid with leukemia who we have
been helping since 1999. I call him Miguel Jordan and caress his bare head as I laugh with him. We have also helped support several kids through high
school and two through college.
We have been quietly proud of what we have done to help those people who helped us so much as we wandered through our 40 years in Baja.
Our friend as well as our relatives have shared with us their knowledge of herbs and other things that are less than what is normally accepted as
natural.
I would like to end my spiel with the statement that all people of all races and climes have the same basic knowledge of old cures and spells. AND
faith is what has always made them work. So sad that most of the white race, including Europeans, have rejected this knowledge and replaced it with
political slogans that have absolutely no value.
My smidgen of a claim to fame is that I have had so many really good friends. By Bernie Swaim December 2007
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David K
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Thank you Bernie... I hope self control or the moderators here keep the Baja forums about Baja and us Baja Nomads. I fear more politics will be
spilling over from the Off Topic forum as their desperation increases... I have not even gone to read that board in weeks (and probably won't until
the election is over). 
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Natalie Ann
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Germanticus, please leave the politics to the off topic board. The Kyoto accord was just an attempt to have America pay out billions to solve mostly
other countries' problems, as usual. |
I agree that politics belong on the off-topic board. However I would like to point out that David K got his shot in before bowing out of the
discussion.
Regarding witchcraft and bujas and the like... anyone been to La Candelaria?
Be yourself, everyone else is already taken.
.....Oscar Wilde
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David K
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Yes Natalie, me bad, so sorry. I was providing balance, then closing the politics (I hoped) otherwise just the leftist side is heard. That is only
fair, isn't it?
There was a thread on La Candelaria... use Nomad search.
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jrbaja
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Bernie
To mention "treaties" and the u.s. in the same sentence is a little scary. There may be some native Americans watching!
And as far as the rest of you nimrods, start yer own dang topics and leave mine alone!!
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elgatoloco
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Bamboo
http://www.qbgardens.com/qbgframed.html
MAGA
Making Attorneys Get Attorneys
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Natalie Ann
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OK, JR, I'm not hijacking your topic.... witchcraft is why I asked about La Candelaria. Previous thread posted by RandyMac (is he better yet?) after
he and I'd discussed it on Fred's board. We didn't get much new info either there nor here.
So I'm asking again. It's an area noted for cuanderos and herbal healings. (I believe they also make some beautiful black and white pottery there.)
Yet I can find no one who has been there. Seems odd.
I have often wanted to visit but have found most folks don't want to go. Old rumor was the locals were afraid of the brujas. This year I learned
that just beyond La Candelaria, at road's end, lies an area of haciendas which are stop-overs for drug smugglers. But again, this is all what I've
read or been told, and I wonder if anyone had any personal experience with the curanderos of La Candelaria or the town itself.
DavidK - Thanks for owning up to your part in the mild political foray. 
Be yourself, everyone else is already taken.
.....Oscar Wilde
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