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Hook
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What's this about a big new resort in Loreto?
Sounds kinda familiar, doesn't it? Where is this??
LORETO, MEXICO–The Villa Group has opened an 181-suite Villa del Palmar Beach Resort & Spa at the Islands of Loreto here.
The resort, which faces the Sea of Cortez, is part of a planned 1,800-acre development that will eventually include seven hotels, home sites,
restaurants, and a championship golf course.
While the Villa del Palmar guest quarters are fully built out, a 35,000-square foot fitness center and spa as well as tennis courts are not scheduled
to open until this summer.
Loreto, Mexico, is an emerging Mexican resort destination a 90-minute flight from Los Angeles.
The Villa Group, which was founded in 1984, is a Mexico-based hotel, resort, and real estate development company.
[Edited on 5-25-2011 by Hook]
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ncampion
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That's the Ensenada Blanca project about 20 miles South of Loreto. Been in construction for a couple of years. It was originally just a "membership
only" project - read TimeShare. However we understand that they have now opened up the restaurants and golf course to outside customers. Hopefully
those people will just stay out there and not bother Loreto at all.
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rhintransit
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hum, now Loreto is an 'emerging tourist destination'?
reality\'s never been of much use out here...
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JESSE
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Can't understand why they keep pushing for Loreto to become the next cabo, its just not going to happen.
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LaTijereta
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Place is going through a "soft opening"...
Road in off the hwy is still being constructed in aboiut two miles
Even has a special section for Nomads....
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right on man!
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
Can't understand why they keep pushing for Loreto to become the next cabo, its just not going to happen. |
Jesse you hit it man - pipe dreams....Loreto will never be a destino for the people who want to go for short time stuff.
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Loretana
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
Can't understand why they keep pushing for Loreto to become the next cabo, its just not going to happen. |
Gracias a dios!  
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This whole project makes no sense to me either for a number of reasons. Here are a few:
In February 2007, I camped at Ensenada Blanca right where this developement is now located. Getting people back and forth from the resort to Loreto
will be both expensive and time consuming. My notes reflect that this is at least 25, and more like 27+ road miles to the town of Loreto. This
development is actualy off Mex 1 at/near Ligui. I saw the new road going in off Mex 1 when I drove by this spring which will take a little distance
off, but folks aren't going to be walking into Loreto from the resort; or if they try it, my guess is it will be only once. Even water taxis would
be a significant trip (I'm guessing close to 20 miles or more each way) ... add some winter time Cortez winds and this will get interesting as well.
There is little fresh water at the resort site; so costs to operate this large of a place would seemingly be high just in this respect alone.
For us, airfare to Loreto has always been higher than to Cabo; sometimes considerably higher. So it would seem that if this resort is going to have
any long term chance of survival, the cost to fly into Loreto is going to have to become at least comparable to Cabo if not significantly less.
This winter I obseved what I thought was a lot of hotel and condo vacancy in the entire Cabo area. All things considered, I don't understand the
business plan/marketing plan for Ensenada Blanca that is going to compete with the Cabo corridor. Especially if the seven proposed hotels at Ensenada
Blanca actually get built. And what are all the people going to do who are crammed into this one area? This beach area, etc. just isn't that big.
I could go on and on but.............
The one bright spot, at least in the short term, is the folks who do visit or live in Loreto proper may benefit if airfares are lowered to try to
subsidize Ensenada Blanca time share sales. b1
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I think that it would be fun to hang out there for a day, anyone know how much a day pass cost?
What we see depends mainly on what we look for.
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http://www.villadelpalmarloreto.com/
Hi Lauri - above is the link I found - I couldn't find any prices listed - you have to punch in dates etc.
sure looks luxurious .... where will they get all the water from ? a mega desal plant ?
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LaTijereta
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Lauriboats
I think that it would be fun to hang out there for a day, anyone know how much a day pass cost? |
They told us $65.00pp for use of the facilities = pools/ restrooms/ showers/ "future" tennis courts (food/ beverage extra)
There is also a beach club house (bar/ cafe) down on the playa that is free of charge if you want to bring your boat up on the beach...
They offer kayak and paddel board rentals
This location is very isolated from Loreto, and is a total "unlpug" if you chose to hangout there. Parking is all underground, so few cars are in
view.. Golf course (if/ when) completed offer more options to enjoy the views.
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ncampion
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That's correct
[Edited on 5-26-2011 by ncampion]
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Hook
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65 dollars or pesos?
Certainly not dollars, correct? Who'd pay that, all the way down there?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
65 dollars or pesos?
Certainly not dollars, correct? Who'd pay that, all the way down there? |
Dollars
Not much to be had here any longer for 65 pesos since Loreto Bay made this an upscale destination.
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Some thoughts about this project:
I have also had some major concerns about its viability, given the track record of the Fonatur development at Loreto, that was supposed to be the next
big thing many years ago. At the same time, Villa Group has an amazing track record all over Mexico, having built upscale resorts in such places as
Cabo (2) , Puerto Vallarta and Cancun.
A comment made above about the weather just may be the achilles heel for this resort, in that, although Loreto has so much going for it, the heat and
humidty of summer and the cold, chilly winds of winter seem to me to truncate the "high" season for a resort. And the distance from town makes it
problematic, as well. That's likely one major reason that Villa Group built that Hotel Santa Fe on Salvatierra right next door to Hacienda Suites and
Domingo's Place.
As for the charge for day trippers, I really have to believe that it's designed to keep out the locals (spelled local Mexicans). After all, THIS IS A
TIMESHARE! The more folks who visit, with money to spend and can afford to buy a unit , the better for them.
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Success or failure, if it gets built, does it really matter in terms of changing the area? It's almost better that it succeeds, at least you won't
have a decaying development that is not maintained.
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Loretana
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Lauriboats
I think that it would be fun to hang out there for a day, anyone know how much a day pass cost? |
You can go down to the Villa del Palmar for FREE if you will
1. Let them pick you up at your home/hotel in Loreto for your "free transportation" to Ensenada Blanca
2. Endure a half day of high pressure Time Share marketing and "free lunch".......
I got hit on the other day by one of their salesmen at the Loreto airport who assured me that even though I own a home in Loreto, I would be welcome
to a day of FREE fun in the sun, and that they would let me use the facilities for just 90 minutes of my time!!
I asked him if I looked like my face was painted on, but that went right over his head.
What fun. 
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There is always in the Background:
Will the WATER last ??
Will there be enough WATER??
Where will the WATER come from?
Will Loreto people be without WATER so that the Timeshare can have Plenty??
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Will Loreto people be without WATER so that the Timeshare can have Plenty?? |
Jeeeezo, Skeet...that sounds like a good arguement to buy one. You are quite the salesman. 
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LaTijereta
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Will Loreto people be without WATER so that the Timeshare can have Plenty?? |
Jeeeezo, Skeet...that sounds like a good arguement to buy one. You are quite the salesman. |
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