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JESSE
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Anti-Mexico gang keeps growing
Is it me or little by little the anti-mexico gang is growing on the board? it seems we have a bunch of people with way too much time in their hands,
who basically spend most of their day stuck i front of the monitor, either creating negative posts, or responding to other posts about mexico, using
negativity as a way to vent their personal problems with mexico or mexicans. Some of these wackos, don't even live here at all, and rarely visit the
country. They just come here as a way of gettin back at mexico for a failed relationship, business, etc etc
This anti-mexico crowd, complaints mostly about growing crime in baja and goverment corruption. They feed on the current drug war that my country is
experiencing to validate their attacks against mexico and mexicans. But they conveniently ignore some important facts about baja.
1-Theres always been corruption here, and trust me, 10yrs ago corruption was far worse. Things are not perfect here, we have a long way to go, but the
fact of the matter is that corruption is down from the levels we had many years ago. What has increased by leaps and bounds in the last 10 yrs, is the
number of people living here. As well as commuications, now everybody is connected to the internet, and everything that happens anywhere in baja is
known in a matter of minutes. If you are not prepared to live with this reality of baja, its simple. Don't live here.
2-Mexico has been living a nightmare in the past few years because of the current drugwar. 30,000+ people have died because of this, many of them
innocent civilians, and well as courageous police and military who where not corrupt and gave their lives so we could all live more safe. The mexico
bashing gang would like you to believe everything and everyone in Mexico is corrupt, and this is a total and shameless lie. There is a lot of
corruption, but the mayority of people in mexico are not corrupt.
Baja has off course has been affected by the levels of violence that we see in the mainland, but considering the huge surge in population in the last
15 yrs, its stupid for anyone to compare the crime in baja of 15yrs ago, with the crime we have today. Theres at least twice more people, theres more
communications, and a drug war going on, so yes we do have more crime. But. Considering the situation in the mainland, we here in baja are lucky to
have it so good. Goverment here has the power, not criminals, unlike may other parts of mexico.
I am not going to sugarcoat reality, many parts of baja are not what it was 15yrs ago, but many are still the same. There are a lot of problems, but
we are doing far better than most other parts of mexico, and regardless of what the anti-mexico crowd yells, this is still a very safe and peaceful
place to live. If it wasnt, we wouldnt have so many people from all over mexico, canada, and the us moving down here to retire or to start new lives.
That is reality.
Any crime is bad, we should fight crime and demand justice be done everytime we are affected by it. We should prepare ourselves better, make plans to
deal with problems, and react rapidly and strongly everytime a friend or relative gets into trouble, but we can't let rumors ad half truths cloud the
fact that this is still a great and safe place to live.
3- Finally, i would like to finish by asking those anti-mexico people, why do they live posting their anti-mexico rants in a baja lovers message
board? there is nothing wrong with posting news and stories about problems, but we all know some people live and breathe all day to just post every
little piece of bad stuff they can find on the net, be that real or not.
I once told a mexican immigrant living in the US who complained to me about racism and descrimination. "if you don't like it, just go back home". And
i feel the same applies to these mexico bashers, If you don't like it, go home. Nobody is forcing you to live here, nobody is forcing you to endure
anything. So let those of us who like it here, live in peace, and take your bile and negativity somewhere else.
And for those that don't even live here and complain, my advice is simple:
Get a life
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woody with a view
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it's just you.
you should see the bashers on some of the stock boards i check.....
it'll pass, or it won't.
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J.P.
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JESSE I agree totaly. I canot understand the ones that constantly gripe and put this place down.Why are they here? I think a lot of folks came down
here and spent their whole wad and if thew went back they would go back with nothing and to a life they could no longer afford . A lot have bought
into the fear mongering. I see people where i live that wouldnt think of going into Ensenada to shop without going in a group and a lot of them will
not shop there at all they go to the States. but the ones that peeSSSSSSSSSS me off the most spend their time trying to change things to like where in
the hell ever they came from. if it was so great why did they leave. and then theres the crowd that think there so superior to the local people its
sickening . My position is BAJA LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT.
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MMc
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Jessy.
I think you have a point. There are a lot of posters here that haven't been south in years. Both lovers and haters.I take everything here with a bit
of skeptical humor. MMc
"Never teach a pig to sing it frustrates you and annoys the pig" - W.C.Fields
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David K
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Yah, don't let the player haters get to you Jesse... Look how much the USA is hated, and they still come here for a better way of life (maybe not for
much longer, however)!!
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Ateo
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Agree completely. Grow some balls and get on with life. Sick of it all. Don't like Mexico? Afraid? Stop posting! Stop going! Actually - post
all you want. Free country.
Many Americans I know are total wimps. Sorry. I won't apologize for that. You're cushioned ass is getting lazy as a human being. Check yourself!
Are you even alive?
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UnoMas
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Don't know why the Baja Bashers want to live a miserable life and complain about everything Mexico, like you say go back to where you came from!  Spent the whole day in La Paz today hitting the segundas, shopping for supplies,
having lunch, doing immigration stuff and never felt threatened, mistreated or any of the B.S. they like to post about. Guess they need to get off
their computers and go out and do something fun  
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mcfez
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Baja...you either love it...or hate it.
Wish I could had raised my kids there.
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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KASHEYDOG
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I'm with you all the way, Jesse !!!
Don\'t mess with the old dog...... Age and skill will always overcome youth and treachery! Brilliance only comes with age and
experience.....  ....  ....
Are you getting the most out of life OR is life getting the most out of you ?? 
Twenty years from now you\'ll be more disappointed by the things you didn\'t do then the things you did.
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DENNIS
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Censorship sucks.
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mulegemichael
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jesse....yer paranoid...my read...relax..take a deep breath..
dyslexia is never having to say you\'re yrros.
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Paula
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I agree with you Jesse. I find myself feeling uncomfortable with much of what is said here. So while I check in most days, I read less, and comment
less.
Maybe Doug could follow up on the off-topic model with a whiners only forum
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Loretana
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Jesse,
Thank you for another well constructed, erudite post.
Keep 'em comin'.
Love Loretana
"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration."
-Nikola Tesla
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shari
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Muy bien dicho Jesse.
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DENNIS
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There are already guidelines for speech concerning this site. It sounds as though you people would like to expand the list of taboo subjects.
When you're done with that, tell everybody what you will allow them to wear while posting here.
What's more egregious than a negative attitude?
A bunch of self-righteous , pompous snobs who whip themselves into a frenzy thinking it's their place to tell others what they're allowed to say or
where they should say it.
I guess most of you are unfamiliar with the First Ammendment. Too bad because, for sure, most of you are too old to learn.
You ought to be ashamed of yourselves.
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Islandbuilder
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Dennis, I read this thread as a request for self editing, not suggesting that others should have control over what you post. I'm too new here to have
earned the right to speak to this beyond what I've already said.
Have a great Thanksgiving.
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JESSE
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
There are already guidelines for speech concerning this site. It sounds as though you people would like to expand the list of taboo subjects.
When you're done with that, tell everybody what you will allow them to wear while posting here.
What's more egregious than a negative attitude?
A bunch of self-righteous , pompous snobs who whip themselves into a frenzy thinking it's their place to tell others what they're allowed to say or
where they should say it.
I guess most of you are unfamiliar with the First Ammendment. Too bad because, for sure, most of you are too old to learn.
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Dont try to to confuse people with lies. This is not about free speech, nobody is saying the topic should not be discussed or debated here. I am just
saying some people seem to enjoy spending most of their days sitting in front of the computer finding anything remotely negative to
post about Mexico. I doubt Doug will do aything about it, in fact i don't think Doug should do anything about it. But i did wanted to expose those
wackos who should get out of their rooms and smell reality. Baja is not as bad as you claim it is, its also not perfect and has its many problems.
I understand many need the attention they get posting negative stuff desperately, because they probably don't have anything going on in their lives,
but its not cool, and its not healthy. And i am going to venture out and say the majority of the readers want to hear about good and bad news in baja,
but do not care much for the serial negative postings coming from those bitter people.
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Skipjack Joe
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Jesse,
It would help if you would add a few links to threads about what you are talking about.
Some negativity is natural from any group of people that move into a culture they didn't grow up in. That's why there's a Little Italy in New York and
a Chinatown in San Francisco. It's not that easy to come somewhere and be all smiles. As long as you feel about your new culture on the same level as
your own (but different) you're doing fine - just bellyaching. But when you start to look down on someone then that's a problem.
This isn't the first time you've posted these same thoughts. And I hope you continue to do so because your perspective is unique among board members.
In many ways you represent the Mexican people here. You are their voice. You remind us what they would say if they did write on this board. And that's
real valuable.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
Dont try to to confuse people with lies.
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No. I don't have to do that. You, and some others here are more easily confused by the painful truth.
Where and when did I lie? I'll respect your right to make that accusation if you'll respect my right to ask you for a reference.
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This is not about free speech,
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It isnt?? Well, of course it is. You dislike what someone says and you're making an issue of it, trying to present your antagonist as
indecent....and, doing so ostensibly for the well-being of the community.
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nobody is saying the topic should not be discussed or debated here.
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Yes. You certainly are.
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But i did wanted to expose those wackos who should get out of their rooms and smell reality.
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That, of course, would be your reality.
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Baja is not as bad as you claim it is,
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Now, you're getting personal, so I must insist on references. Why did I know you would go in this direction?
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its also not perfect and has its many problems.
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So...why do you object to having people point that out?
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And i am going to venture out and say the majority of the readers want to hear about good and bad news in baja, but do not care much for the serial
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And, I'm going to venture a guess that the majority of readers here don't digest what's distasteful and pass right on by the posters with a reputation
for unfounded negativity. These things have a way of self-regulating and don't require censorship. To excercise a strength like that is a method of
the weak-minded who let other's thoughts control them.
Is that you, Jesse? I would hope not.
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castaway$
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It never ceases to amaze me how in the cyber world some people scrutinize every word, read between the lines then attack. But in modern society we
have the right to say what we think and not be censored no matter if you are left, right or middle.
Personally I agree with Jesse, and to those with a perpetual negative attitude, I'd rather not have to read it constantly because life is too short
and I would rather go out smiling than frowning.
Indeed people need to be informed of both the good and the bad in Baja or anywhere but when you watch these threads evolve it's the personal attacks
that I find offensive.
It's too bad we can't borrow a few of the features of Facebook and just individually block posts by people we may find offensive.
Live Indubiously!
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