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http://www.cronica.com.mx/celular/nota.php?id_nota=683148
The newspaper article has a last part that did not appear on my newspaper copy as you can see in my copy and the web page and was not translated, I
do it here:
“… Today it is not easy being a policeman and less living and working in fright and fearing our superior’s complicity and corruption and their
dishonest ways, because of that we are calling to the Governor Marcos Covarrubias will and criterion, so this does not continue to happen and that the
own authority be the one who promote drugs and that organized crime continue to do their business as usual in Baja South and today we anonymously
denounce for fear of reprisal. We hope the answer is favorable to our denouncing, if not, we will insist to the Federal authorities…”, end up the
letter.
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“…ya no es fácil ser policía y menos vivir y trabajar amedrentados por la zozobra de la complicidad, la corrupción y la deshonestidad, de nuestros
jefes, por lo que acudimos a la voluntad y criterio del Sr. Gobernador Marcos Covarrubias, para que esto no siga sucediendo y que no seamos la propia
autoridad la que promueva la droga y que la delincuencia organizada siga haciendo de las suyas en Baja California Sur y hoy denunciamos de manera
anónima por temor a represalias. Esperaremos que sea favorable la respuesta a la denuncia, si no insistiremos a otras instancia federales…”, concluye
el documento.
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Sorry about the writing but that is also writen that way in spanish, it is not a translation deffect it is the own writing deffect.
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I think this is better! The complete document. Pedro Mejia Juarez in La Paz | National
08.14.2012 | Creation Time: 00:57:10 | Last modified: 00:57:10
Through a letter arrived in the media, both print and electronic, state coverage, agents of the State Preventive Police accuse of corruption within
the law enforcement agencies.
"... Through this and following the open spaces of expression, a majority group of the State Preventive Police want to express our displeasure and
deep concern and disappointment to the new controls that designate PEP Mr. Alvaro de la Pena, and Francisco Javier Díaz himself Olivarria ( Lennin
former escort), the general manager of the URI, Arturo Olvera Garcia, who brags to us that in the administration of Lennin Rodriguez, was responsible
for the disappearance and execution of Juan Carlos Pérez Cacachi and negotiation narcomenudistas protection to La Paz and Los Cabos .... "says the
document in your first paragraph.
"... now are as commanders, pure people who were trusted Lennin Rodriguez, who have taken over the police and followed passing information as deputy
himself Olivarria Francisco Javier Díaz, Arturo Olvera Garcia Muñoz Baltasar Jaimes, Paulino Salvador Díaz Moreno and Martinez de la Cruz. The
seriousness of the matter is that the people who appointed the secretary Alvaro de la Pena, protection agreements made with people of
the Sinaloa Cartel operating in the city of La Paz with two cells in the Zona Sur, by a representative named Alex who operate and sell drugs on the
street Colosio city from south of town to San Pedro and the North Zone by a person who calls Ruben Colosio street towards the city center and the
other colonies ... "reads the letter.
denounce the commander Arturo Olvera Garcia gives keys people should not stop when they find selling drugs.
"... Arturo Olvera Garcia in charge, we designated the area of the city where we patrol and what we must do if we stop a vehicle and persons engaged
in drug sales with permission, such vendors will instantly make your boss and this in turn will mark Arturo Olvera Garcia, to those vendors and the
chief of these is known as the iron teeth or El Chilango, the keys with identified vendors are constantly changing and our commander tells us every
time this happens so that we know the key, as mentioned earlier example that work for the hawk, then double zero, and currently Moreno mentioned the
key "deputy" so we know that these are authorized and are not grasshoppers latter are so called because they have no police permit to operate and are
as command to stop and federal MP and appear in the press as a result of police work ... "reads the document.
said that are delivered to the MP arrested when drugs and money from the sale. Also reported that agents are paid by the narco colluded two thousand
dollars a week and four thousand to commanders.
"... Commander Arturo Olvera mark on the phone when we got to stop some" pucha "and if we take the drug or the proceeds of sale, we are punished or
arrested, and we are tired of this situation which obviously we were not taught in the course of Creditable State Police, who are in collusion
elements given the amount of 2,000 pesos weekly, commanders and 4,000 pesos weekly from here on we can imagine, as this will tell themselves the
companions and narcomenudistas to stop and let go, the worst part is that many of those who do not give them money or refuse to receive it, bring us
unarmed, in security services in homes without patrol, unarmed and without radio ... ".
They say they are disappointed by the PEP.
"... Most of us as new members of the State Preventive Police, we disappointed in all these situations and have decided to report it, as we had other
expectations of work and very different development beyond the 70 thousand dollars we got for having established the course of Creditable ... State
Police. "
In the letter that was published in some media coverage state, the complainants requested the intervention of Governor Marcos Covarrubias Villaseñor.
"... it's not easy being a cop and live and work less intimidated by the capsizing of complicity, corruption and dishonesty, our heads, so we turned
to the will and judgment of the Governor Marcos Covarrubias, so this does not keep happening and that we are not the proper authority to promote the
drug and organized crime continue to make mischief in Baja California Sur and today denounced anonymously for fear of reprisals. We will expect a
favorable response to the complaint, if no other instance federal insist ... "concludes the document.
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Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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Comitan
I am not trying to change your mind, you were born with it and you are the one that will end up with it forever.
What I do, is to comment on what you are saying and letting other Nomads know what I think about what you think, that is all, miracles I cannot
perform.
I do not have your limitations, because I have certainly changed my mind when someone offer a better argument and that is known as honesty in thought
and I am sorry you are unable to do that, because that is an ability that differentiate us from animals, try it some time, it hurts a little but you
will feel better afterward. More, you may feel an honest people.
Also, thanks for your translation, between the two, they will get the real meaning.
The last paragraph on your comments sharply disagree with what you say, I wonder why in this case you can not change your mind even when you recognize
the changing of mind as a virtude.
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Another issue worth commenting here is the whole experience and jail conditions in Baja.
WISDOM SAYS THAT A COUNTRY IS MEASURED BY HIS HUMANITY ON THEIR HANDLING OF THE MOST REPRESSED.
I had the experience of visiting the Santa Rosalia and Tijuana jails for a few of days each, waiting for them to allow me to render testimony on a
case already closed in 2009, because I had already rendered it previously and showed my property title and possession documentation and to Tijuana
kidnapped and for a 1997 case already extinct by time limitations.
The ordeal, started in Mexico City, where the Estate police detained me on a Thursday afternoon, then I had to wait until the South Baja estate
policeman, arrived to conduct me to La Paz Baja California.
They arrived the next Monday and that mean I had to be detained for Friday, Saturday Sunday and they conducted me on Monday afternoon.
In Mexico city, the cell was big, lighted and with several seating and sleeping furniture, recently painted and clean, with a private bathroom
included; they allowed me to have books and allowed me to make phone calls freely so you can say that those situations are good for a freedom
deprivation facility.
On Monday, 3 South Baja Estate Policeman arrived to conduct me to La Paz B.C.S. and they seem friendly enough, commenting on the fact that they were
conducting me to Baja just to render declaration and in the worst case posting bail; I was not sure about that, because I had been denouncing the
Estate Police and District Attorney office complicity with the organized crime very openly and on my name, confident that I was in a civilized
country.
They extorted $7,000.00 pesos from me to allow me sign a power of attorney, but at the end they just accepted $5,000.00 my attorney had in his pocket.
They conducted me to the airport and even invited me a sandwich and beverage; of course the $5,000.00 was enough to cover for that.
We flew to La Paz and when we arrived, all civilized pretentions were dropped, there were about 20 Estate policeman waiting for me, took me to an
empty room and very roughly, obligated me to wear a bullet proof vest and put foot and hand chains on me and then, made a big show when coming out as
if they had captured a big mafia boos; they had 10 police armed vehicles waiting for me out of the airport and took a lot of pictures for newspapers.
They conducted me to the District attorney office where the aid for the Estate Police Director (Hugo Paul Galindo, the one who invaded my hotel)
obligated me by force me to give fingerprints, even under protest because I denied the permission to do that; there, excessive force was used for any
motive, making clear that they had me under their power.
Then after a few hours chained and turned against a wall, they sent me to Santa Rosalia, with the Estate Police commander and a few other Estate
policeman armed with rifles and without taking the hand and foot chains from me.
We arrived very late and they conducted me to the Santa Rosalia Estate Police office, where they took my name and medical examination. Then they
conducted me to the Santa Rosalia Jail.
There they put me in one of a classical Mexican jail cell worst than in the movies, more a cave than a jail cell, where there was another detained
guy from Mulege; there was no light, only the exterior lights, heat was extreme and humidity on the 98%; c-ckroaches were running all over the place,
on the floor, walls and ceiling on an average of one every 4 square inches or more, included steel beds; bathroom facilities were a naked ceramic
piece, completely covered in dirt while shower facilities were just a hole on the wall and the floor was filth covered by dirt and more filth.
I motivated the other guy and over the next days, we cleaned that cave until no c-ckroaches were visible during the day, all the trash was out and
bathroom facilities were clean at least. The problem was that the humidity was so high that even at 44 degrees Fahrenheit, the water did not
evaporated and took the whole day to dry at least in part, but at least it was clean.
3 days went like that, nights were a nightmare because of the hot weather that made me sweat constantly and sweat dripped constantly from our bodies
and during the night we had to fight the c-ckroaches so they did not run over us.
The other detainees were in a worst position, because in front of our cell, there were 8 guys in a very small cell with space for 4 people.
Remember that those facilities are for people not sentenced and only waiting to be presented to the judge and that mean that those facilities are for
people not yet guilty of any crime.
At 3 Am, the last day, they took me out of the jail cell and conducted me to an office, where they asked me to render testimony on my employees case,
trying to incriminate me also, but I just conducted me with the true and did not reserved my rights to render declaration in writing because I knew
they wanted that to try to incriminate me falsely as they did with my employees.
The Santa Rosalia jail, is a hell hole, where 36 guys are cramped on a 6 jail cell, human rights are simply not known there, living conditions are
completely inhuman; the jail guards are nice people that try to make the best of the decrepit building, but they are unable to keep even the simplest
of human minimal conditions available to detained people.
The next day, I was conducted to the courtroom where usually just a secretary take your statement, but in my case, there were 2 district attorneys,
the judge and several guards; there I reviewed my file and showed them that my property title was already there, statements were already rendered and
no new deposition was needed and that was all, but we noticed that the whole court building was surrounded by Estate policeman including the estate
commander.
My attorney told me that he was not to post bail, because he feared that they were going to try to detain me again for another fictitious crime and he
told the jail guards to be prepared to repel the Estate police in case that they tried to take me by force; with their guns on their hands they
conducted me to the jail again to wait for me to pay bail leaving the Estate policeman powerless to detain me again at that time.
My attorney, asked the Santa Rosalia judge why they were trying to detain me again, and the judge told him, that if he wanted to see me again, better
to take a picture form me, because I was about to disappear forever.
My attorneys asked the federal court for an amparo against illegal detention by the Estate police and an acts suspension was granted the next day;
where the Federal judge forbade the Estate police from detain me again.
With the Federal order in their hands my attorneys paid the bail and I had to be freed, but they started to drag their feet; my bail was paid in the
morning and I was in jail at 11 PM, when they notified me of bail paid. Then they told me the jail director was not there and that I had to wait for
them to go to his house so he sign my release order.
1 PM. Next day, already violating the law, because you have to be released the same day you pay your bail.
My attorneys noticing that unmarked cars were arriving to the jail with heavy weapons armed men in black without any official id, they promptly went
to the Federal Police, showing the Federal Oder not to detain me, they gave him no help, but just showed up at the jail; evidently that put pressure
on the unidentified guys because, when they allowed me to leave, the unidentified guys in black blocked the exit while my attorneys showed them the
Federal order to everybody including the jail guards who evidently knew the armed with M16s man in black.
It was of no use; the jail guards forced me to go out and in to the hands of the unidentified armed guys who acted with disdain of the Federal order
not to detain me. There you have to consider that they were violating a Federal order, a federal crime but they being unidentified with masks and
vehicles, they taught that we would not know they were Estate policeman and in fact that was a kidnapping, allowed and forced by the Santa Rosalia
jail guards.
Since we identified some of them as Estate policeman, they removed their masks and the guy in charge started to ask me for pardon, telling me that it
was a direct order form the Estate Governor and they forcefully without legal order, took me to the Estate Police headquarters in Santa Rosalia
followed by my attorneys.
There they dumped any pretense of being unidentified and put their Estate police insignias on them again, clearly the simulation of kidnapping was not
working because of the Federal vehicles who saw them taking me away without their intervention and also because my attorneys were following them
closely.
My attorneys asked to talk with the Estate Police commander in charge of the kidnapping and he showed him the Federal order warning him that he was
committing a federal felony; asking for a detention order and the commander told him that they had nothing, that they were waiting for one that will
arrive shortly; he advised them that they were kidnapping me and committing a federal felony again; clearly that hit them hard, because when my
attorney left they ran after him asking him to return and telling him that they were to call to La Paz and ask for the order to detain me and if they
received nothing soon they were going to release me.
Then they called the Estate Police Director Hugo Galindo, the Estate Police Director at 3 AM and then told my attorneys that they had no order to
detain me, but I was going to be conducted forcefully to La Paz again on the Estate Governor and Estate District attorneys orders alone and they did
not care about the Federal order.
They conducted me in a estate police car to La Paz where we arrived to the Estate District attorney’s office, where the Estate police director Hugo
Paul Galindo Camacho has his office, early morning.There the Estate Police commander asked for a receipt for me and they did not want to give it to
him; then he with the rifle on his hands told them that or they gave him a receipt for me or he would take me back and leave me where he had found me;
after going in to Galindo’s office, they signed the receipt. That is a felony, because they were detaining me without any kind of legal order and with
a Federal order forbidding my detention and that is why they did not want to sign the receipt.
Then they took me to the jail cells, but the policemen in charge of the cells refused to allow me to be in jail, because there was no order for my
detention, claiming that he was not going to be responsible to have me there without a legal order, in fact throwing me out of the jail cell.
Then they conducted me to the Estate police chief in charge of detentions, keeping me in chains 24 hours standing against a wall; during the morning
my attorneys asked where I was being detained but the Estate police denied having me in detention; in fact they were unable to find me anywhere; in
fact I was kidnapped and the kidnappers were the Estate police Director and his policeman.
My attorneys went to the Federal court and asked for a Federal Oder against in communication and were granted an order against the deprivation of my
constitutional rights, but the Estate police denied having me in custody.
I do not know the time, but it was during the next night when a Federal court employee, who entered the administrative offices that belong to the
Estate Police headquarters, found a bunch of Estate police bunched against an office door, that belong to the Estate Police Detentions chief, 3 doors
from Galido’s office; he suspecting foul play, entered the office by force and I saw a head coming out of the bunch that did not allowed him to enter
by force and he seeing me, told me, Mr. Munoz, I know you, you are Mr. Munoz; I was half sleep but heard my name and answered, then he entered and ask
me to sign the federal orders, and I did it, including the order not to keep me in communicated.
The Federal court officer, ordered the Estate Policeman not to deprive me of my constitutional rights, telling them that I was under the Federal judge
protection and custody and they would not be able to move me and were only to put me in custody of the Tijuana Estate police to conduct me to render
testimony in Tijuana B.C.
Then finally they allowed me to go to a jail cell where I was able to seat and eat, without chains.
The next day on Friday, the Estate policeman from Tijuana arrived and asked them to release me to them, but they told them that they had money
authorized to take them to eat and party and that they may leave with me on Monday; the Tijuana Estate policeman, sensed something was fishy and asked
them for the release papers; they gave it to them and as soon as the paperwork was signed, they told them that they will take me to take a bath and
will have me ready in a couple of hours, in time for their flight to Tijuana; that statement raised the red flags on them, because I was already on
their custody and they denied any movement and in fact ask them to release me to them at once; they told them to calm down, but the Tijuana Estate
policeman were already on alarm mode and asked me to come in between them.
They asked the Estate Police detentions commander to take us to the airport at once or they would ask for a taxi and we would go alone.
Seeing them on that alarm status, they released the chains from me and allowed me to go in between them and we started to go out of the Estate
District attorney’s office while I was absolutely without any chain and in fact being protected by them.
We came in to the commander small personal car but several armed Estate Police cars started to follow us full of armed policeman; The Tijuana Estate
Policeman were really sacred and asked the commander not to deviate from the airport route; he insisted on stopping in a gas station but the Tijuana
policeman told him not to stop or deviate from the airport route.
We arrived to the airport and they asked for the army protection, who stopped the Estate policeman from coming in to the airport; only two Estate
policeman commanders entered and tried to talk to them but then they asked the army to conduct us to the airport interior and under their protection
and most important out of the South Baja Estate policeman guns sights, we came in to the boarding airport room at 2 Pm to take the 6 PM flight to
Tijuana but we felt safe and one of my attorneys took the same flight with us.
We arrived that night to Tijuana and there I knew that they did not had a jailing order for me, that I was conducted to Tijuana to post a $10,000
pesos bail on a 1997 case, that was already closed and had the time limitations expired; in other words, an illegal detention, issued just as a favor
to the South Baja Estate District attorney.
They kept me the whole weekend and Monday then on Tuesday they allowed me to pay the bail for the already extinct case and allowed me to go free.
The jail conditions were bad the first two days, with a 6 bed cell being occupied by 8 people and then on Monday, they took me to another cell, with 6
beds for 10 people where you cannot stand all together or sleep all at the same time and were allowed to go out to the patio only one hour every week;
where nobody can talk to you from the outside or send you anything and you can use the phone only during that hour every week but competing with 500
guys.
There I knew that I was fortunate to have 10 guys in a 6 bed cell, because in all the others there were up to 37 in the same kind of cell and that was
normal conditions on the Tijuana jail where no sentenced people are detained.
There I knew a guy who had been there for 6 months, because the police caught him coming out of his sister’s cloth store, to which he had the keys,
during the day with 3 pants worth 3 dollars each. Because his sister was not in Tijuana and he had no money to call her, he had already spent 6 months
in jail with 3 more to go.
Another who had been there for 9 months because a lady who bought a car from him, returned the car to him and latter told the police that he has stole
the car from her, the car was in his name and the lady told latter that she was wrong that he did not stole the car from her, to no use.
Then a 3 Pm Tuesday they told me my bail was paid and I would be free that afternoon and in fact at 4 pm they asked me to leave the cell and stand at
the patio to be released; there I stood for the whole afternoon and they started to release me at 4 Am next day; they took me to receive my cloths,
but they only put you in front of very dirty clothes that belong to the guys who were incoming that day, your cloths are just put on that pile and the
guys going out that day are allowed to take them, or more exactly the ones that the guards don’t want are left in the pile; in fact the Estate
government steal all your belongings and when you leave, they give you dirty clothes from somebody else to wear coming out.
I was waiting to be released from 4 Pm till 4 am next day and was the last one to be released that day and when I came out I found out why they kept
me waiting till nobody was in the street and no other release people was around.
Some other un identified people were waiting for me to come out alone and promptly took me to the airport and took me to Mexico city where they just
disappeared inside the airport and I had to call my employees to bring me money, id and cloths.
The whole ordeal took two weeks for just posting bail in two 30 minute legal actions, for crimes not existent or already expired by time limitations
and that were closed for years already because I was declared not guilty of any crime.
To be able to accomplish that completely illegal and futile act, they committed several crimes:
1.- Violating my constitutional rights when they expose me to false publicity arriving to La Paz.
2.- Opening an already closed case in 2009, without any part petition, only on the District attorney’s actions, without providing any new proof that
may allow that.
3.- Disobeying the Santa Rosalia order for me not to leave the Estate, when they sent me to Tijuana by force.
4.- Kidnapping or detaining me against a Federal judge order not to detain me.
5.- forcing me to go to Mexico city in fact disobeying the Tijuana order not to leave the estate.
Clearly, because I had no crimes committed, they were trying to make me commit some real ones, like disobeying the judge orders not to leave the
estate and then they would be able to detain me on real orders, but that failed when the Federal court found me detained and in communicated in the
Estate District attorney’s office in La Paz and since the Tijuana judge order was void because it was coming out of file expired by time limitation
that the judge has to execute by law, they were left with nothing.
Also, on the act of detaining my hotel employees without a judge order o legal cause, they committed 6 acts of kidnapping and abuse of official power.
All those federal and local crimes are already denounced, but we will see if they are even prosecuted for them.
That show a country where the law is something applied only to people without official power or just because you molested the government officials.
The laws are there, but impunity is ever present and that is the same as not having the laws; people are at the mercy of dictatorial governors who
don’t care about constitutional or human rights and the authorities overseeing them are slow and frankly don’t care much.
Human rights organizations are absent or simply are powerless and they clearly know they are powerless.
Jailing conditions, violate every human right there is, with absolutely no human conditions existent, with up to 5 times more people in a space for
one.
Mexico has the laws, but the people applying them are corrupt to the bones and through this Presidency cycle, organized crime was provided with
absolute control and impunity, the war on drugs was just a tool to allow one group to dominate the other ones, a charade to pretend that they were
fighting drug trafficking while allowing it openly.
The judges are as corrupt as the Estate policeman, but as we see, the lower ranks are not as corrupt as the top echelons who just belong to the
organized crime.
Clearly, the roman system where you are guilty until you prove yourself innocent, is not working and keeping a lot of innocent people jailed in not
human conditions and nobody is giving any attention, congress just ignoring that human rights violation.
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Hey! anybody have any problems lately with the traffic cops at the Tecate stop signs when entering from Ensenada? Now that's a problem I can identify
with.
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This is a bunch of worthless crapola
wish it was not still on the board!!
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ramuma53
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24baja
Why???
it clearly show what kind of authotities Baja South has now and the risks anybody face when living here.
Aslo remember that Baja North, has the same kind of autorities so be carefull yourself and lear instead of jus wanting to hide the true
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Rafael let them continue living there with their rose colored
glasses until the day in the near future it happens to them! By then it will be too late! Once El Rosario fell I realized the entire peninsula is
screwed!
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You are right. This post is beyond most interest. Set up a ring and duke it out. We lost interest around the 15 page.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ELINVESTIG8R
Once El Rosario fell I realized the entire peninsula is
screwed! |
what happened?
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ELINVESTIG8R
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It is infested with drug dealers thieves and drug addicts who have come from all over
Mexico. The youth are becoming slaves to methamphetamine that includes the rancho youth too out in the boonies. There are some Narcos too, which no
one is supposed to know or speak about. Do not walk the streets at night or camp anywhere near there or by the beach without a crowd because you will
be a victim of a serious crime. It has become a dog-eat-dog world there! It breaks my heart to say what I have because I see El Rosario as my little
town, which I love very much. Anyone who says different is blowing smoke out of you know where!
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that sucks. we have some real good friends there, also. one has joined the police force recently. have hope.
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Elvis,
What drives these people to El Rosario. Being the boonies are near and the manufacturing of drugs is easily attainable (sp?)? Or are these local kids
getting addicted to the plague?
What keeps them there if they come from other parts of Mexico?
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I was informed by someone in the know that many came from all over Mexico to get away from
their environment ending up in El Rosario and other places along the peninsula without the prospect of getting work. To make ends meet they began
committing burglaries and other petty crimes. Many began selling methamphetamine and marijuana for someone to locals and other people. Now they feel
they cannot leave for whatever reason. I doubt it will ever change. When I go out I watch where I go and never go out alone after dark even in little
ole El Rosario. I find it is even dangerous to go to the interior of Baja to the Ranch where I grew up. It is a sad state of affairs!
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David
I have heard about this happening before, its good that you point this out to others that might not be aware of the problems that are going on.
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toneart
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I have met David (elinvestig8tor). We had coffee together at Mama Mia's two years ago. We do not agree about much having to do with politics, but I
have to say he was a kind, sincere and respectful person with me. And I enjoyed his guitar playing and singing in Mama Mia's too. I heard his music
wafting out from the kitchen and knew it had to be him. I walked in and introduced myself and enjoyed getting to know him. He introduced me to Anita
(Mama Mia) and I spent about a half hour talking to her and soaking up a first hand account of her history.
Most of you have read his history in El Rosario with Mama Mia. In my judgment, David knows what he is talking about when it comes to the current
elements that is plaguing El Rosario. I am very disturbed to hear about the deterioration of El Rosario
I always stay at The Baja Cactus Hotel and feel safe there.
David-
My question to you is, how can you project what is happening in El Rosario to include all of Baja Sur?
I have read and heard that Loreto has had a big burglary problem due to lots of workers from the mainland being abandoned and stranded by the Loreto
Bay Development. That was a couple of years ago. I do not know if that is still a problem. I would think that most of them somehow found their way
back to the mainland.
I have heard that there is a drug problem with some youth in Mulege but I have not seen it. Mulege has a close knit family structure and they seem to
be able to keep a lid on the youth through social interaction and the church.
Throughout the whole country of Mexico, burglary is prevalent. It is basically a crime of opportunity. If you do not protect your property they
consider is theirs. That's the way it has always been.
But to my knowledge, cartel drug violence is not a problem in Baja Sur. Oh sure, there has to be transportation activity, but the cartel culture
hasn't settled or centered here. If it has, it surely has nothing to do with we who have no business with them. We are not targeted or affected.
Unlike El Rosario, it feels free and safe walking around Mulege at night or any other time.
David- If you or anyone else know for sure that I am wrong, please inform me and the rest of the Nomad readers.
I do believe in responsible reporting and information. If there is a substantiated danger, I want to know about it.
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Hi Tony,
My personal knowledge with this starts and ends with El Rosario. I have actually spoken with drug addicts who have told me of how they got to El
Rosario and what they have done to maintain their addiction. I have also personally seen drug transactions taking place on her streets. I have even
confronted two people who stole something from a loved one and got the item back. I will not go into detail about that!
I have Mexican friends and acquaintances who know what they are talking about and say that what is happening in El Rosario is happening up and down
the peninsula. I do not have firsthand knowledge of the up and down the peninsula part but I believe them because they know what they are talking
about and very reliable.
I do not put this out there to scare anyone or bad mouth Mexico because I happen to love Mexico and see her as my second country because I lived there
in my youth. I especially love El Rosario because that is where Mama Espinoza took me in when I was a homeless youth and lived with them. It breaks my
heart what is happening to El Rosario.
My advice is to never roam around at night alone or camp alone either at the beach or in the interior where you think you will never see anyone else.
I have personally had encounters with mean looking characters in the back country with firearms, which usually consist of shotguns or .22 caliber
rifles. Do I know if they would have done me harm had I not been with others, no I do not!
Is it something I want to find out by going out alone, no! That is all I can say on the subject matter other than to say I have no axe to grind with
Mexico because I love her! If you choose to no believe please feel free to do so! I am not trying to change anyone mind about going
there.
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David -- I am absolutely amazed that you have not been banned from this forum for the insults and rage you direct at other nomads here -- esp. those
who you don't like. Your name calling and threats of violence leaves me scratching my head.
What's up with you and the above? You don't know how to act in a civilized manner here?
I'm not following this thread and don't have an opinion on who is right or wrong.
You might need professional help in how to act on a public forum.
Your threats here are NOT appreciated. I can't be the only nomad who think's this way. There is NO justification for your behavior!
[Edited on 8-27-2012 by BajaNomad]
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Lee I liked you once. Now I'm not so sure. You have no idea what has happened so please keep your opinion to yourself about my sanity. It is still
intact just so you know! David
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David-
I do believe you and consider you a knowledgeable source. That is why I addressed my questions to you. Like you, Mexico has been a country dear to my
heart. I just hate to see the violent changes that are continuing to escalate. Hard drugs are such an insidious evil. They are pushed by criminals and
steal the souls of it's addicts. The culture of death embodies it.
While I have never been the type to live in fear, I do not knowingly place myself in harm's way. I am always aware of my surroundings, outdoors and
also inside public places.
So, while I choose to look for positive aspects in my life, I am not a Pollyanna in denial. I seek balance and truth. That is why I ask questions.
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