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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
I don't understand what you are trying to convey Ken...? Flag? inappropriate? |
YouTube content has to be approved and maintain its approval, or it will get reviewed for possible abuse by the owner (Google).
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Interesting, well the co-producer didn't okay it! 
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shari
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Mood: there is no reality except the one contained within us "Herman Hesse"
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Personally I really appreciate that it IS on youtube so it gets more exposure than a private for sale film...sorry for your neighbours trying to make
some money off it though. These types of documentaries should be widely viewed and public....would love to see this as part of the history courses in
schools too.
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Cooke
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
I don't understand what you are trying to convey Ken...? Flag? inappropriate? |
YouTube content has to be approved and maintain its approval, or it will get reviewed for possible abuse by the owner (Google).
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If the owner of this material did not give permission for the public free use of this video, there is a complaint form they can use and it will be
removed from U-tube.
Maybe the owner of the material gave permission???? If not, they certainly have the right to earn money from their work or donate it, but it should
be their choice.
It is one of the downsides of the internet--too easy to take and use the work of others without permission.
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David K
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The owner is dead, my neighbor was one of the producers.
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J.P.
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What's everyone so sensetive about . When i was a small kid it was Saturday Afternoon Enertainment to sit through the afternoon at the local Movie
House watching the White Man Kill INDIANS
You know what the Lone Ranger said to Tonto when they were surounded by Indians. Tonto what are going to do we are surounded by Indian's . TONTO
REPLIED WHAT DO YOU MEAN "WE" WHITE MAN
[Edited on 5-1-2012 by J.P.]
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gnukid
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
The owner is dead, my neighbor was one of the producers. |
The owner of a copyrighted material can decide how to distribute a video where the copyright is recognized, if he passed away then the owner may also
give the copyright in a will to someone or the copyright expires.
In addition to copyrighted material being owned and sold for profit it can also be used a variety of manner freely, including for non-profit, research
and education etc...
The video was posted on youtube with a claim to use the video for non-profit education.
There is no evidence that the poster is profiting from someone's material unfairly or has committed any copyright infringement.
Read more about copyright if you want to understand how it's possible for anyone to use any material fairly.
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David K
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'For Educational Use' is what it is all about...
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Ken Cooke
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Cooke
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I don't understand what you are trying to convey Ken...? Flag? inappropriate? |
YouTube content has to be approved and maintain its approval, or it will get reviewed for possible abuse by the owner (Google).
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Interesting, well the co-producer didn't okay it!
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The co-producer needs to alert YouTube by flagging the video in order that the video is pulled from YouTube. This is a common occurance that will
also affect the account of the person who posted the 'Exterminate Them' video without permission.
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gnukid
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Cooke
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Cooke
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
I don't understand what you are trying to convey Ken...? Flag? inappropriate? |
YouTube content has to be approved and maintain its approval, or it will get reviewed for possible abuse by the owner (Google).
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Interesting, well the co-producer didn't okay it!
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The co-producer needs to alert YouTube by flagging the video in order that the video is pulled from YouTube. This is a common occurance that will
also affect the account of the person who posted the 'Exterminate Them' video without permission. |
It depends on the context, one can share media such as movies or songs under "fair use" legally. It seems that you two, DK and Ken should take some
time to read about and understand fair use prior to making broad statements about copyright and specifically about ownership and use of this movie of
which you are not a party to.
In fact, there is nothing to indicate any copyright infringement and furthermore your comments may be hurtful and damaging to the intent of the author
and owner.
Imagine if one were to follow your logic, that everything ever made or discovered should be copyrighted and restricted, one day there would be nothing
left not copyrighted and restricted.
Imagine if one were to follow this convoluted logic and the idea of building a house was copyrighted and restricted, as well all cooking recipes. You
would be restricted from having a home or cooking unless you paid royalties. Give it some thought and do some research.
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Ken Cooke
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YouTube explains Copyrighted Works
| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
It seems that you two, DK and Ken should take some time to read about and understand fair use prior to making broad statements about copyright and
specifically about ownership and use of this movie of which you are not a party to. |
link: http://www.youtube.com/t/howto_copyright
What is copyright infringement? Copyright infringement occurs when a copyrighted work is reproduced, distributed, performed, publicly displayed, or
made into a derivative work without the permission of the copyright owner.
The way to ensure that your video doesn't infringe someone else's copyright is to use your skills and imagination to create something completely
original.
Be sure that all components of your video are your original creation—even the audio portion.
http://support.google.com/youtube/bin/answer.py?hl=en&an...
Some examples of potentially infringing content are:
TV shows
Including sitcoms, sports broadcasts, news broadcasts, comedy shows, cartoons, dramas, etc.
Includes network and cable TV, pay-per-view and on-demand TV
Music videos, such as the ones you might find on music video channels
Videos of live concerts, even if you captured the video yourself
Even if you took the video yourself, videotaping a concert of your favorite band does not necessarily give you the right to reproduce and distribute
the video of the concert without permission from the music publisher (who represents the song writer).
Movies and movie trailers
Commercials
Slide shows that include photos or images owned by somebody else
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Ken Cooke
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This video has been removed by the user.
Sorry about that.
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gnukid
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Ken,
Follow the links you posted to read and investigate copyright and fair use and the many applications of copyright.
From the pages you linked:
http://support.google.com/youtube/bin/answer.py?hl=en&an...
http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html
http://fairuse.stanford.edu/Copyright_and_Fair_Use_Overview/...
http://www.copyrightwebsite.com/Info/Law/FairUse.aspx
http://chillingeffects.org/fairuse/
This particular video is unlikely to be copyrighted due to the fact the copyright holder has passed away, furthermore, fair use allows it to be shared
for non-profit educational purposes.
The subject matter is historical which presents it's own issues associated with copyright, can you imagine if everyone who reported on history could
then hide/restrict public history under a copyright?
The nature of your argument, that this video being viewed in it's form on youtube is a copyright violation is problematic and unsubstantiated , though
its great we are having this educational discussion.
In fact, one (presumably the copyright holder) could argue that your misinformed efforts are hurtful and damaging to the intent of the copyright owner
and therefore you are liable for damages, due to loss of income by falsely promoting the incorrect flagging of the video and thereby hurting the
promotion of the project.
The point is you need to do more research into copyright, fair use and this particular work prior to making allegations and promoting flagging.
Note you often post links to songs that are certainly copyrighted though are allowed on youtube for use and that is something you seem to understand
very well, yet you object to a historical education work?
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Ken Cooke
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html
This particular video is unlikely to be copyrighted due to the fact the copyright holder has passed away, furthermore, fair use allows it to be shared
for non-profit educational purposes.
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Not necessarily true. http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html
Where an author is dead, his or her termination interest is owned, and may be exercised, as follows:
(A) The widow or widower owns the author’s entire termination interest unless there are any surviving children or grandchildren of the author, in
which case the widow or widower owns one-half of the author’s interest.
(B) The author’s surviving children, and the surviving children of any dead child of the author, own the author’s entire termination interest unless
there is a widow or widower, in which case the ownership of one-half of the author’s interest is divided among them.
(C) The rights of the author’s children and grandchildren are in all cases divided among them and exercised on a per stirpes basis according to the
number of such author’s children represented; the share of the children of a dead child in a termination interest can be exercised only by the action
of a majority of them.
(D) In the event that the author’s widow or widower, children, and grandchildren are not living, the author’s executor, administrator, personal
representative, or trustee shall own the author’s entire termination interest.
(3) Termination of the grant may be effected at any time during a period of five years beginning at the end of thirty-five years from the date of
execution
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gnukid
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Ken,
If you have a legitimate concern about a copyright infringement and therefore seek to restrict the video "Exterminate Them" based on your concern,
contact the family and let them know that some of us apparently watched the video on BN and have had an interesting discussion about the issues
presented yet you think they should pull the video from youtube. Or you could buy it.
http://www.floydredcrowwesterman.com/
contact:
Rosie Westerman
Box 10464
Marina del Rey, CA 90295
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Ken Cooke
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Actually, I was offering to help David K if he had a legitimate concern as to the usage of this DVD whose contents were being usurped by being posted
to YouTube.
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gnukid
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Do it Ken, follow through with a nice letter to the family, perhaps they will appreciate it either way.
I really appreciated the video and am very interested in the history and plight of indigenous people.
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You also realize that you have embedded a video in your signature which has many songs:
1) The video loads for each message you send, in this case multiple times per page, and requires each BN member pay the cost and burden of downloading
the data which they may not want nor feel comfortable having associated with their ISP account.
2) You may need to do a thorough check of each song to ensure it is copyright free by contacting the author and owner of each song.
[Edited on 5-2-2012 by gnukid]
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Ken Cooke
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
Do it Ken, follow through with a nice letter to the family, perhaps they will appreciate it either way.
[Edited on 5-2-2012 by gnukid] |
Do it for me. I have lots more important stuff on my calendar.
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Ken Cooke
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
1) The video loads for each message you send, in this case multiple times per page, and requires each BN member pay the cost and burden of downloading
the data which they may not want nor feel comfortable having associated with their ISP account. |
Wrong again. Did you remember to take your meds?  
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Rat Hole
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