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LaPazGringo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
No, it isn't digusting, it's silly. All these nomads trying to punch their race card? Punch it! Heck, stick it in your pocket and save it for a
serious situation. Or maybe you can find some other place to stick it? 
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No, it's disgusting. Unless you're from Northern Idaho and think hate speech is cool, funny and harmless and you criticize those who choose not to
revile others with ignorance and racism. People who don't like the N word are playing the race card? You have issues, man. Just keeping adding
this>>  smilie and it'll make everyone who disagrees with you seem
so foolish, won't it?
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Cypress
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Registered: 3-12-2006
Location: on the bayou
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LaPazGringo! You're not foolish. Stupid?
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toneart
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Registered: 7-23-2006
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Hey Skeet...bye bye!
| Quote: | Originally posted by vgabndo
At the time Sanford and Son hit the air it seems it was clear to all the folks I hung out with that throwing the N word all over the place was being
done to take the sting out of it. Archie Bunker was a completely disgusting caricature but he helped take the sting out of what had been traditional
Christian American hate speech. Much more recently the technique found it's way into the GBL? community when gay people started calling themselves
queers. It helped soften the impact of the word when used in hate.
Interestingly, to be an atheist is to be mistrusted, lied about, and indeed hated more than any homosexual or person of color. We just don't have to
show it on the outside, so don't have to live it. Americans have made atheist a dirty word filled with insane connotations. It is actually the absence
of an act, and is akin to being an "afairy" if one doesn't believe in fairies.
I like humanist best right now. Skeptic and free thinker also help to keep the hatred of atheists from my door. |
Perry'
I too favor a Humanist Philosophy. Skeptic and free thinker too. Would consider myself more of an Agnostic (Not totally though. I sense the presence
of a superior being).
My disgust with Evangelistic Christians began with me and my brother being thrown into a boys ranch by my parents for four years. The operators of the
ranch were psychologically and physically abusive, and hypocritical. They ran the ranch with child labor. They burned us with cigarettes. The beat us
with hoses and sticks. If we didn't eat or like our food they force fed us garbage until we vomited. They forced us to read the bible and punished us
if we asked questions.
I learned quickly how to think for myself. The difference between right and wrong was clear to me because I knew these people were evil and that they
were the worst sinners. I figured out early on that The Bible is ridiculous. That notion was validated later as I studied The Bible as Literature at
San Francisco State University. Most of the other kids on the ranch either died early or went to prison. I came through it stronger, with more resolve
and a verifiable history of responsibility.
Evangelists and Right Wing Social Conservatives are joined at the hip, so I have no respect for them either.
You say "We just don't have to show it on the outside, so don't have to live it." I must disagree with that if you post on the internet, and in this
forum too. I have been stalked by one in particular, threatened, had my family researched, my credit app pulled by phonying a purchase agreement
through a business they were operating (I guess that is how they did it). You are held accountable for anything you say that is political by some
vicious haters.
Now, I am 74. Two years ago I was diagnosed with incurable Lymphoma/Leukemia and so I don't care. (Monsanto and Dow Chemical will probably kill you
too). This is the first time I have revealed this on BajaNomad. I didn't want to give mrbillm the joy of my condition. By his absence, he may have
predeceased me (which does not give me joy, by the way) .
I am sure that the stress of the years in which I have been coexisting in this world with hater Wingnuts have caused the stress that contributed to my
cancer.
They no longer intimidate me, but I have lost interest in playing the debate game here. It is the Zen sound of one hand m*****b**ing. Virtually all of
my logic, parody and humor is lost here. It is tiresome and I have no desire to be a crusader or to change their minds. They have to live with
themselves and that is punishment enough.
When you are confronted with your own mortality, living day by day in the moment, there are loftier and more important ways to spend my time and
psychic energy.
The BajaNomad is still he best source of information for all things Baja. There are many interesting and helpful Nomads here contributing much of
value. I will continue to learn and contribute only if it is what I know to be true by experience.
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Skipjack Joe
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I'm sorry to hear this. Really I am.
And thank you for letting us know. That was the right thing to do.
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oxxo
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Posts: 2137
Registered: 5-17-2006
Location: Wherever I am, I'm there
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Mood: If I was feeling any better, I'd be twins!
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Blessed be, Toneart.
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DENNIS
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Location: Punta Banda
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Jeeezo, Tony..... I don't know what to say.
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comitan
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Posts: 4177
Registered: 3-27-2004
Location: La Paz
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Just hang in there..
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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David K
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Registered: 8-30-2002
Location: San Diego County
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Mood: Have Baja Fever
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Tony, please do enjoy what you do have and remember all the joy that family, friends, fishing, and some other f- things have given you in your life!
Do continue to share your thoughts and findings with us, and while you and I have not seen eye to eye on many issues, I think we have at least
respected each other for what we believe to be right.
This Nomad family (while it may be disfunctional) still can be counted on in times of need or at least to lend an ear (or would it be an 'eye'?).
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Pompano
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Posts: 8194
Registered: 11-14-2004
Location: Bay of Conception and Up North
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Tony, I hear you, mi amigo.
I do what the voices in my tackle box tell me.
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vgabndo
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Posts: 3461
Registered: 12-8-2003
Location: Mt. Shasta, CA
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Mood: Checking-off my bucket list.
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Thanks for that Tony. I too came out after I got cancer. There just comes a time when there is no point in pretending to respect someone's delusion.
It cost me for sure, but I have easily gotten along without those few people in my life.
I can only do my best to live in congruence with my principles, to hold myself accountable for my failures, and consciously look at what I made more
important than keeping a promise to myself or another. None of us is getting out of this alive. We were doomed from the outset! My goal is just to be
able to look any man in the eye without apology for anything; least of all a belief that every embryo when born becomes a devil possessed "original
sinner" who is beyond human redemption. I disagree that this is a good way to start a good clean atheist kid on what turns out to be a very short trip
to the grave.
Sunday School is child abuse, and the effect on American children's achievement in the sciences, compared to non-Christian countries, is obvious.
Students who've been taught to disrespect the scientific method, and who must overcome outright lies they've had drilled into them, in order to
function in the real world later, have a measurable disadvantage.
A recent Gallop Poll let us see that 46% of adult Americans hold the delusional belief that homo sapiens was created, with no previous evolution, less
than 10,000 years ago. Incredibly, when you take out the 30 something percent who believe that evolution had God's help, only about 15% of Americans
accept Darwinian evolution by natural selection as truth.
Mexico was only just a little bit smarter.
The picture is far less depressing in many parts of Europe.
If you don't already know him, I recommend talks by Daniel Dennett on Youtube. His mind sends mine flying. Neil Degrasse Tyson gives me physics envy,
but he makes it sort of understandable too.
Do I remember correctly that you are a musician?
My best...
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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Ateo
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Toneart, I really agreed with your post and was stoked you said what you did, except for hearing that you were diagnosed with incurable L & L. I
wish you the best. Keep telling it like it is and keep on living. I think we only get one chance at this, and I think you're doing your best.
Always loved your avatar by the way.
Jon
| Quote: | Originally posted by toneart
| Quote: | Originally posted by vgabndo
At the time Sanford and Son hit the air it seems it was clear to all the folks I hung out with that throwing the N word all over the place was being
done to take the sting out of it. Archie Bunker was a completely disgusting caricature but he helped take the sting out of what had been traditional
Christian American hate speech. Much more recently the technique found it's way into the GBL? community when gay people started calling themselves
queers. It helped soften the impact of the word when used in hate.
Interestingly, to be an atheist is to be mistrusted, lied about, and indeed hated more than any homosexual or person of color. We just don't have to
show it on the outside, so don't have to live it. Americans have made atheist a dirty word filled with insane connotations. It is actually the absence
of an act, and is akin to being an "afairy" if one doesn't believe in fairies.
I like humanist best right now. Skeptic and free thinker also help to keep the hatred of atheists from my door. |
Perry'
I too favor a Humanist Philosophy. Skeptic and free thinker too. Would consider myself more of an Agnostic (Not totally though. I sense the presence
of a superior being).
My disgust with Evangelistic Christians began with me and my brother being thrown into a boys ranch by my parents for four years. The operators of the
ranch were psychologically and physically abusive, and hypocritical. They ran the ranch with child labor. They burned us with cigarettes. The beat us
with hoses and sticks. If we didn't eat or like our food they force fed us garbage until we vomited. They forced us to read the bible and punished us
if we asked questions.
I learned quickly how to think for myself. The difference between right and wrong was clear to me because I knew these people were evil and that they
were the worst sinners. I figured out early on that The Bible is ridiculous. That notion was validated later as I studied The Bible as Literature at
San Francisco State University. Most of the other kids on the ranch either died early or went to prison. I came through it stronger, with more resolve
and a verifiable history of responsibility.
Evangelists and Right Wing Social Conservatives are joined at the hip, so I have no respect for them either.
You say "We just don't have to show it on the outside, so don't have to live it." I must disagree with that if you post on the internet, and in this
forum too. I have been stalked by one in particular, threatened, had my family researched, my credit app pulled by phonying a purchase agreement
through a business they were operating (I guess that is how they did it). You are held accountable for anything you say that is political by some
vicious haters.
Now, I am 74. Two years ago I was diagnosed with incurable Lymphoma/Leukemia and so I don't care. (Monsanto and Dow Chemical will probably kill you
too). This is the first time I have revealed this on BajaNomad. I didn't want to give mrbillm the joy of my condition. By his absence, he may have
predeceased me (which does not give me joy, by the way) .
I am sure that the stress of the years in which I have been coexisting in this world with hater Wingnuts have caused the stress that contributed to my
cancer.
They no longer intimidate me, but I have lost interest in playing the debate game here. It is the Zen sound of one hand m*****b**ing. Virtually all of
my logic, parody and humor is lost here. It is tiresome and I have no desire to be a crusader or to change their minds. They have to live with
themselves and that is punishment enough.
When you are confronted with your own mortality, living day by day in the moment, there are loftier and more important ways to spend my time and
psychic energy.
The BajaNomad is still he best source of information for all things Baja. There are many interesting and helpful Nomads here contributing much of
value. I will continue to learn and contribute only if it is what I know to be true by experience.
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wessongroup
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Posts: 21152
Registered: 8-9-2009
Location: Mission Viejo
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Glad your still here.... don't blame ya for anything but, balanced commentary and a human perspective ... by the way ...
Thanks
Wiley
Just thought of it... never heard ya play ..
ateo... "it's just a circle"
[Edited on 6-8-2012 by wessongroup]
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Cypress
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Registered: 3-12-2006
Location: on the bayou
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toneart, Sorry to hear of your condition. Thanks for your post.
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Barry A.
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Location: Redding, Northern CA
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Tony--------You know that my thoughts are with you, as they have been for a long time. You are a gentleman whom I highly respect.
It ain't over til it's over, as you know, and I wish all the best to you in the struggle-------Please continue to post as I gain perspective from you,
as we all do.
Best, Barry
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DianaT
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First of all, any one who has met Tony knows that he in no way looks like he is 74, nor does he act like he is 74 and he will win this battle.
Amigo, we will see you again soon.
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toneart
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Registered: 7-23-2006
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Thank you all for your heartfelt comments. I have had many good conversations with most of you and none of you are on my s-list. What a great
community of Nomads!
I was diagnosed two years ago but have not submitted to conventional treatment until now. I am giving it a good fight and actually feel pretty good. I
have never suffered symptoms but the blood work and CT Scans say all is not well.
I had a 2nd opinion consultation with a Lymphoma Specialist Hematologist/Oncologist at UCSF. Until then I was going to only do alternative treatment.
This doctor gave me two hours and had all my pathologies redone there at the UCSF Hospital. He was thoroughly prepared having committed my whole file
to memory. He just exuded confidence! He came up with a combination of a Monoclonal Antibody and Chemotherapy. It will be a six month course. I
started treatment with that doctor's concoction two weeks ago here at The Sierra Nevada Memorial Hospital and it is going well.
I have done lots of research and have put myself on a special Cancer diet and I am getting lots of exercise with weights and riding my bicycle. I am
in great shape as I have always taken care of myself. Still feel like I did in my 30s and 40s.
The weather here in the Sierras is beautiful. Spring is all abloom and the temperature is in the mid 70s to low 80s. No humidity.
Still playing my trumpet with friends. Just jamming. Not working professionally any more. Ironically, three of the guys I play music with are MDs. I
am really getting great personal guidance from them as well. One of them is the local Hospice Physician. One of them has played professionally in the
past and the others are better than you might expect, as time would allow.
I now return this string back to the Skeet topic.
Saludos, Amigos!
Tony
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DanO
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You all can go back to the Skeet topic after I express my sentiment that life truly sucks. Tony, hang in there man, your voice means a lot to me and,
I suspect, others on this board.
\"Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible.\" -- Frank Zappa
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Mexitron
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Posts: 3397
Registered: 9-21-2003
Location: Fort Worth, Texas
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Mood: Happy!
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Sorry to hear toneart, but sounds like you have the right attitude---here's to more years to come.
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mcfez
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Location: aka BN yankeeirishman
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Tony................
You know that McFez thinks highly of you.
It must be all about positive thinking about life....that keeps us all going in life.........and you have plenty of it! We haven't talked since last
Xmas season..........and here you are, still being positive my friend.
The San Felipe house is yours to use at any time for any length of time.......you know that........just don't disturb the neighbors with the loud
horns :-) Let us, the Nomads, know what we can do for you .......should any need arise.
Regards to my favorite BN!
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Thank you all for your heartfelt comments. I have had many good conversations with most of you and none of you are on my s-list. What a great
community of Nomads!
I was diagnosed two years ago but have not submitted to conventional treatment until now. I am giving it a good fight and actually feel pretty good. I
have never suffered symptoms but the blood work and CT Scans say all is not well.
I had a 2nd opinion consultation with a Lymphoma Specialist Hematologist/Oncologist at UCSF. Until then I was going to only do alternative treatment.
This doctor gave me two hours and had all my pathologies redone there at the UCSF Hospital. He was thoroughly prepared having committed my whole file
to memory. He just exuded confidence! He came up with a combination of a Monoclonal Antibody and Chemotherapy. It will be a six month course. I
started treatment with that doctor's concoction two weeks ago here at The Sierra Nevada Memorial Hospital and it is going well.
I have done lots of research and have put myself on a special Cancer diet and I am getting lots of exercise with weights and riding my bicycle. I am
in great shape as I have always taken care of myself. Still feel like I did in my 30s and 40s.
The weather here in the Sierras is beautiful. Spring is all abloom and the temperature is in the mid 70s to low 80s. No humidity.
Still playing my trumpet with friends. Just jamming. Not working professionally any more. Ironically, three of the guys I play music with are MDs. I
am really getting great personal guidance from them as well. One of them is the local Hospice Physician. One of them has played professionally in the
past and the others are better than you might expect, as time would allow.
I now return this string back to the Skeet topic.
Saludos, Amigos!
Tony
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Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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Iflyfish
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Tone: You are one of the people on this board who's views I appreciate. I am sorry to hear of your diagnosis and Vga is right on the mark, as usual. I
have looked the reaper in the face too and know that this ain't practice! I also think that Dylan was right "he who ain't busy being born is busy
dieing'" Each day is a precious gift and what we can choose is our attitude toward that day. There isn't any yesterday and no tomorrow, what we have
is NOW. This has always been one of the great things that I appreciate about Mexico and Mexicans, most know how to live in the NOW and play!
When I leave I want my mind to be open to whatever comes. In my life experience an open mind and heart is the best preparation for whatever comes.
Abrazos Forte Amigo
Iflyfish
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