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shocked.gif posted on 10-20-2004 at 09:20 AM
ATV's banned from the beach at East Cape


Well, it has come to pass. They are indeed enforcing the law now. Federales confiscated 6 Amigo's rental bikes a couple of days back and have promised to return for more!
Take note East Cape ATVers...drive on the beach and you might lose your bike!
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lol.gif posted on 10-20-2004 at 09:23 AM
Looks like the Federales


will be having a new means of transportation to keep the drugs out of the u.s..:lol:
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[*] posted on 10-20-2004 at 09:47 AM


Excellent!
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[*] posted on 10-20-2004 at 11:08 AM


"Then maybe we can go for a walk without the marooons and drunks racing by a few inches away."

Isn't the main problem with ATVs is that they're noisy and irritate non riders who want to relax in peace, or are there actually numerous accounts of pedestrians being hit by these things?




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[*] posted on 10-20-2004 at 11:44 AM
Drunks and atv's


Living on a beach here in north Baja that has atv access has given me some insight to this.
The majority of foreigners that bring them here drink a lot. Then they go riding. They have very little experience riding them and they crash.
Our beach has had one go off the bluff onto some people. Another went off the bluff with two kids on it and again landed on some people.
There are dogs down the beach that attack them. 3 people have wrecked and come back bloody and dog bit because they didn't have the experience to run the %#^&#@'s over.
In Cantamar dunes where it is not offensive, I have had to patch up and transport 3 people to the hospital.
When we used to go to Bahia de los Angeles and Bahia Gonzaga, the foreigners raced up and down the beach. Mostly kids while the parents were getting drunk but nevertheless, the kids are having way too much fun to respect anyone else on the beach. And the parents don't care.
There are enough fun places to ride down here so that being an annoyance on the beaches isn't necessary. Los Barriles has an incredible arroyo ride that makes the beach boring at best.
And, there are plenty of beaches that don't have the tourism, if you feel you must ride on a beach.
It's also a good way to shorten the life of an atv because of the salt!

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[*] posted on 10-20-2004 at 01:25 PM


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will be having a new means of transportation to keep the drugs out of the u.s..:lol:


Nope, looks like their kids will be getting a very nice gift for Xmas.:lol:




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[*] posted on 10-20-2004 at 03:42 PM
Sounds more like my drunken neighbors,


Pochos y Chicanos who just recently started visiting Baja.
This is because of all the horror stories they have heard while being brought up in l.a.:lol:
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[*] posted on 10-20-2004 at 04:59 PM


Try San Felipe during Samana Santa and you will see a world of people from Ensenada, Tijuana, Mexicali and Southern Calif. Most of my neighbors try their best not to go to town during that week.

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lol.gif posted on 10-20-2004 at 06:15 PM
Thanks Grover


Having grown up in Pico Rivera for a number of years, I can truly appreciate that site.
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A pocho is a term used by Mexican nationals to call their Mexican-American or Chicano relatives to the North. It basically means, "A Gringoized Mexican." In Mexican Spanish, pocho has many literal meanings, such as "cut off" (from the root) or "faded." In Spain it also means, "rotten" as in rotten fruit. Well! Excuuuuse us!

Over the course of 10 years, nosotros the editors of Pocho Magazine and this disaster zone known as pocho.com have forcefully turned pocho into a term of pride, a rallying cry for the tacky, uncultured Mexican-American and Chicano, whose lack of proper Spanish skills, and somewhat weakened ability to eat some hot spicy food items makes him a pariah, an outcast both in the US and in Mexico. Supposedly not authentic enough to be a Mexican in Mexico OR the US, the pocho and pocha (his sister) are actually superior beings, able to straddle two worlds while enjoying the benefits of being bi-lingual, bi-cultural and sometimes bi-ignorant.

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[*] posted on 10-20-2004 at 07:37 PM


Umm, ummm, umm,

Pocho, gabacho...chicano?

Grew up in So Cal, made friends with middle class (first generation) Mexican family.

They took great pride in only eating steak and salad when in restaurants, I was lectured how rice and beans was low class.




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[*] posted on 10-20-2004 at 07:49 PM
atv beach riding


Get a life.Been riding motorcycle atv 4x4 on beaches for over 30 yrs on most beaches all over baja. I have not run over any turtles , babies, seals, sun bathers or old farts walking . All it takes is a little common sense,much like driving a car.I"m sure most readers have all done the same. Quit trying to americanizie baja with all your rules from US or stay home in your safe little rule chocked domain.
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[*] posted on 10-20-2004 at 08:00 PM
I can't say the same Gypsy


the families I grew up with taught me about tortillas, rice, beans, tamales and enchiladas.
Quite a change for a 7 year old who was used to clam bakes:lol:
I guess I must have liked them.

Cabo dude, Since you are so experienced, I recommend a nice ride on the east cape beaches.:light:
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rolleyes.gif posted on 10-20-2004 at 08:25 PM
"Can't we all just get along?"


There is room for all to enjoy their place in Baja (I hope).

ATV riding on the beach (if it was a legal thing to do) should not be where non ATVers are trying to enjoy the sand and sea. ie, no racing through groups of people... common sense.

That means it is dumb (and illegal) to ride on the beaches between Tijuana and Estero Beach, San Felipe (in front of town), Los Barriles, and Los Cabos.

The hundreds of miles of beach where there are NO TOWNS, RESORTS, or PEOPLE laying in mass should be enough for the ATVer. Exceptions to this might be for wildlife preservation, ie. turtle nesting areas (which I believe is near Cabo/Todos Santos).

Now, besides remote beaches (tidal zones up to desert), there are dunes, desert roads, dry washes by the thousands to ride on. Respect others who have a right to a good Baja time, but may not enjoy the noise or danger ATVers bring.

There is a lot more of open Baja to ride on than there is in front of beachside towns...




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[*] posted on 10-21-2004 at 07:38 AM


While I must reluctantly agree that East Cape beaches have become a race track and a change is in order...I also sympathize with Cabo Kid's point of view on the subject. There are ( were ) indeed way too many inconsiderate riders on the beach. Too fast , at the wrong places, at the wrong times. Laying on the sand listening to lapping waves has become a potential suicide mission in some spots. And loud, racing bikes have blown more than one shot at great fish from the beach for anyone who has spent much time here. In my experience it is almost always, with the exception of semana santa, gringo tourists blowing it for everybody. Additionaly, it seems that the main drive for the beach ban has indeed come from gringo's with houses on the beach. The subject of bikes on the beach seems to be a non-issue to most of the local Mexicanos I talk to.
It is too bad that instead of targeting those who abuse the freedom to ride, everyone must now lose the option to ride on the beach. Laws, and rules, and limitations seems to be the American way now days. It's really unfortunate. I'm pretty sure the old guy I see putting along the beach on his ATV with his dog sitting behind him isn't hurting anyone. Now he's a criminal.
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[*] posted on 10-21-2004 at 07:56 AM
atv's


There is a pretty good sized atv rental in Los Barriles. Will this put them out of business? I know several people that use them to pull their boats down to the water. Will this be allowed? They also run them down the beach to town to do their shopping. It only takes a few people to screw things up. Just like the jet skis on the Colorado river.
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[*] posted on 10-21-2004 at 10:59 AM


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The subject of bikes on the beach seems to be a non-issue to most of the local Mexicanos I talk to.
It is too bad that instead of targeting those who abuse the freedom to ride, everyone must now lose the option to ride on the beach.


Of course it is a non-issue to most Mexicans. They understand that the chances of getting caught are almost zero. It is their approach not to respect the law, mainly because those who are pledged to enforce it do not respect them.

Additionally, there was never the freedom or an option for anyone to ride on the beach. It was/is against the law.




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[*] posted on 10-21-2004 at 08:49 PM
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Like I said a little common sense. If I want a little peace an quiet I don't camp at peets on a holiday and get peeed off because of all the noise and beach riding. No you dont ride on the melcon in Cabo or any resort beaches. East cape ,well I can agree if there are atv rentals that rent to a bunch of ricky racers it would be annoying and you have a legit gripe. All I'm saying that there are hundreds of miles of beaches to ride ,drive ,camp and enjoy without having all the rules we americans seem to bring with us (no bottles,fireworks,dogs,fires,beer,booze,loud music, games bla bla bla ) . and A hose I'll be down in La paz after the race and Cabo after that .You can meet me down there if you can find your way that far .
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[*] posted on 10-21-2004 at 08:55 PM
A little common sense you say?


This is exactly what these people seem to be missing. And "they" are the majority.
I would be extremely surprised if you haven't experienced them yourself if you spend any time besides vacations in Baja.
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[*] posted on 10-21-2004 at 09:16 PM


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All I'm saying that there are hundreds of miles of beaches to ride ,drive ,camp and enjoy without having all the rules we americans seem to bring with us


Your saying it doesn't make it legal. According to Mexican law NOT American rules, there is not ONE mile of beach available to ride or drive, period.




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[*] posted on 10-21-2004 at 09:26 PM


I dont care if your an american or a mexican, riding bikes on the beach is wrong, specially in southern Baja where theres plenty of animals that live on the beach, either on it or under it, there is such thing as doing a citizens arrest in Mexico, so watch out.
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