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Mulegena
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mulegemichael
that "thinning" is presently going on in mulege also...happens a couple times a year when the dog packs grow...someone takes it upon themselves to
reduce the herd...keep yer mutts close; we are. |
I understand the perpetrator is the guy who makes machaca
and hangs it outside his house to dry. He doesn't have a fenced yard, so he sets out poison.
What a bad guy! 
Everybody knows and we do nothing
Killing animals is not illegal here in Baja Sur!
Mexico City has made it illegal within the capitol limits... finally... a $5000 peso fine and up to 6 months incarceration for knowingly killing an
animal, I believe.
I've spoken with Dr. Manuel Cota, the veterinarian in Sta. Rosalia. He's an activist for local education of young people and families leading to
change in the way animals are regarded, and I applaud his dedication and compassion.
Change has got to come!!
"Raise your words, not your voice. It's rain that grows flowers, not thunder." ~Rumi
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tripledigitken
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I'd spice that machaca with exlax some night.................
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DavidE
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Deposit dead animals on his porch. Leave a note:
"PARA SU MACHACA"
A Lot To See And A Lot To Do
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BajaDixon
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This is very disconcerting given the fact that I just rented a house here on Cerritos for a week and brought my 2 dogs. Today there were 5 or 6 dogs
running loose in front of the beach club restaurant so I am hoping the threat is behind me. Anybody see this happen before at this place?
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Lee
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaDixon
This is very disconcerting given the fact that I just rented a house here on Cerritos for a week and brought my 2 dogs. Today there were 5 or 6 dogs
running loose in front of the beach club restaurant so I am hoping the threat is behind me. Anybody see this happen before at this place?
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The problem might be that there are too many dogs running around loose in front of the beach club. It is common for farmers to put out poison
around their fields to keep dogs out. The Cerritos poisoning is another form of dog control.
The question you need to ask isn't whether it's happened before at Cerritos but when it will happen again. Are you comfortable allowing your dogs
to roam freely even if it's outside where you are renting?
Bumped into a friend yesterday who walks her dogs on that beach most days and said her dogs are now on leash's.
Go back and reread the post that started this thread. Personal opinion: Cerritos is not a safe place for dogs right now.
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What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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monoloco
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I don't condone dog poisoning but I also don't understand why people think it's okay to take packs of dogs down to a crowded beach, there is nothing
worse than being at the beach with your family and having dogs run across your beach blanket, knock over your kid, pee on your cooler, and take a big
dump right next to you (all of which I have personally experienced there). There are plenty of uncrowded beaches around here where you can let your
dogs run but keep them on a leash when you are at Los Cerritos.
[Edited on 2-20-2013 by monoloco]
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SFandH
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Is the problem at Cerritos with off leash pets or homeless free ranging dogs, or both. What sparked the poisoning? Poisoning is horrible in both
cases, but killing people's pets is especially horrible, over the top.
In more "civilized" places, both are criminal acts.
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monoloco
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The problem is mostly with folks who think that it's totally acceptable to head down to the beach with sometimes 2,3 or 4 dogs and just let them run
wild.
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SFandH
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| Quote: | Originally posted by monoloco
The problem is mostly with folks who think that it's totally acceptable to head down to the beach with sometimes 2,3 or 4 dogs and just let them run
wild. |
Well, at least put some signs up asking dog owners to control their dogs and pick-up after them. Most dog owners, like me, know the issues. Reminders
will work for a significant percentage, but not all the time.
Perhaps try to designate one end of the beach as "dog beach" where off leash is OK.
But, do you think the poisoning is being done because of pets? If so, the culprit needs to be dealt with, somehow.
[Edited on 2-20-2013 by SFandH]
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by SFandH
| Quote: | Originally posted by monoloco
The problem is mostly with folks who think that it's totally acceptable to head down to the beach with sometimes 2,3 or 4 dogs and just let them run
wild. |
Well, at least put some signs up asking dog owners to control their dogs and pick-up after them. Most dog owners, like me, know the issues. Reminders
will work for a significant percentage, but not all the time.
Perhaps try to designate one end of the beach as "dog beach" where off leash is OK.
But, do you think the poisoning is being done because of pets? If so, the culprit needs to be dealt with, somehow.
[Edited on 2-20-2013 by SFandH] |
despite what the pope says, the solution is birth control! when people don't spay and neuter, pets and strays multiply, and with no municipal dog
catcher to control the packs citizens are left to control on their own,...
time for a leash law? perhaps a muni dog license system can by put in place to provide funding to hire a real dog catcher or fund some birth control?
[Edited on 2-20-2013 by mtgoat666]
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monoloco
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| Quote: | Originally posted by SFandH
| Quote: | Originally posted by monoloco
The problem is mostly with folks who think that it's totally acceptable to head down to the beach with sometimes 2,3 or 4 dogs and just let them run
wild. |
Well, at least put some signs up asking dog owners to control their dogs and pick-up after them. Most dog owners, like me, know the issues. Reminders
will work for a significant percentage, but not all the time.
Perhaps try to designate one end of the beach as "dog beach" where off leash is OK.
But, do you think the poisoning is being done because of pets? If so, the culprit needs to be dealt with, somehow.
[Edited on 2-20-2013 by SFandH] |
At Los Cerritos the problem is mostly with pets. There are many who hang
out there who seem to collect dogs and think nothing of letting their packs run wild. I have a dog that I take to one of the deserted beaches here
almost everyday, but I would not even consider inflicting her exuberance on the multitudes at Los Cerritos, it's just not considerate to the other
beach goers IMO.
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Leo
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I second that Monoloco. Take them further south is what we do and pick up.
The grass is always greener....
and so, there is always a better spot in Baja
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pauldavidmena
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There are few things our dog loves more than playing with other dogs off-leash. Usually we do this in our own fenced-in backyard, but occasionally
we'll bring him to either a dog park or a secluded park, beach, etc. We're always respectful of everyone around us and always supervise closely.
We've never brought him with us to Baja, but when we do, we'll obviously need to be very careful...
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J.P.
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Loose Dogs
I live in Baja, I have a neighbor that lives in the states and comes down regularly. I have often heard him comment, Gee Dogs are so lucky they can
come down here and run free. That attitude is conveyed by way too many people and is totally wrong.
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shari
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JP...in your opinion it is totally wrong...but it is one of the zillions of things I love about Baja...dogs dont require leashes...people require
brains to keep their dogs under control!!! Dogs really arent a problem in our village..yes things get rather loud when b-tches are in heat but this
too passes.
Here is an example of It's a Dog's Life in the village! this dog sleeps on the hood of the mechanics car and when he starts er up the dog jumps up on
top so the driver can see! They cruise all over town like this...so cool.
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pauldavidmena
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Some people - particularly those who don't own pets - don't make a distinction between dogs that are off-leash but under supervision and dogs that are
left to fend for themselves. All the more reason for dog owners to be respectful of other people's property and vigilant for the pets' safety.
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J.P.
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Pets
I have Pets, I love my Pets, I have a large secure environment for my pet's they do not run loose and defile other Peoples Property When I take my
dogs for a walk I clean up after them. Although there may be no posted laws in Baja about pet control I see it as the Personal responsibility of pet
owners to control pets. What is it some people don't get about being a good neighbor and a responsible pet owner.
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Bubba
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Very, very sad that somebody would sink so low to poison an animal, especially a dog. It's a slow, painful death.
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J.P.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bubba
Very, very sad that somebody would sink so low to poison an animal, especially a dog. It's a slow, painful death. |
A lot of the poison that's available here across the counter that is available here you cant buy in the states. my neighbor's dog that was so lucky
he could run free got ahold of some and I was surprised how fast it acted. In defense of the Indefensible act of poisoning Dogs the ground Squirrels
have about over ran us this year people are putting poison out for them and the LOOSE UNSUPERVISED DOGS OCCASIONALY GET INTO IT.
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Lee
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bubba
Very, very sad that somebody would sink so low to poison an animal, especially a dog. It's a slow, painful death. |
Personally, I don't condone poisoning animals but that's a NOB attitude.
New Rules SOB.
I don't consider the Pescadero farmer as sinking low when he warns he is about to put poison in his fields to kill all animals. He doesn't want
dogs running through his basil and he feels justified in saving his crop.
Those putting poison out at Cerritos are looking at dog control. It might be someone random, actually, who just doesn't like dogs. Or, it's
those who see more and more dogs running loose dropping doodoo on the beach. No warning here.
I rarely walk my dog on this beach but when I have, I have her within 20' of me off leash. I never really take my eyes off of her because she is
a food scavenger and will eat anything that looks good.
The poison being put out isn't chewy edibles. Probably something so tasty it'll be swallowed whole in a nano-second.
Keep an eye on your dog at Cerritos. Go far South away from buildings.
Life is cheap down here and cheaper for dogs.
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