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Baja Bucko
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Genetic Genealogy & Familias Antiguas Begins!
Well, after spending almost 40 yrs researching the old families of Baja California, I've entered the modern world of genetic genealogy, starting off
with collecting the DNA of a specially-selected group of 4 males. I hope to establish a "signature" of sorts for the Y of Sebastian Constantino Arce
and his brother, Jose Gabriel Arce, the founders of the Arces of both Alta and Baja California. At the same time as money allows, I will also been
testing several Villavicencios and Mayorals among others. I have an extensive paper trail of research so I think the genetic aspects should be
interesting in many ways.
While up at R. San Gregorio last week, very distinguished patriarch Francisco Arce, whose family I have spent time with for several years, sat
quietly, with that Californio gleam in his eyes, as usual, saying something only when he knew he could get a laugh from the onlookers. I was honored
to be allowed to swab his cheeks for a sample, Socorro, Lupita and Loreto looking on.
Last November I carried in, by mule, of course, a 10 generation pedigree for him. It was 45 8 X 11 sheets of computer paper, taped together to make a
huge 5 sheet by 9 sheet pedigree....larger than the kitchen table. Explanations brought looks of amazement as I discussed various ancestors back in
the 1700 and 1800s. His entry in to the DNA age is a start and hopefully the tiny database will grow as prices drop for these tests. I guess it
should be called the Californio Project.....there, it's named.
So here I sit in San Ignacio, finishing up more adventures and headed off to more! I ain't a phD and don't have a lot of money but I'm having a
blast. How can you NOT love Baja!!!
PS Excuse the mistakes here ...the IPAD is new and allows me to carry over 4000 names in my database all over by mule. I am not real computer
literate.
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LaTijereta
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Great experiance to look into that part of Baja history...
Checkout Leland Foester's book "The Californios" which has stories and photographs from all these families..
Democracy is like two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.
Ben Franklin (1759)
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Baja Bucko
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Leland's is an excellent collection of pics...I have met many of these folks over the past 40 yrs....
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David K
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This is wonderful to read Teddi!
Keep up the good work, I know Harry Crosby would be (or is) very proud of you, too!
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Leland Foerster's book
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Baja Bucko
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Thanks, David. I have not told Harry abt this yet but he will find out soon enough......as I toasted him once while eating lunch w him a few years
back..."It's ALL YOUR FAULT, Harry!". 
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This is excellent stuff, thanks.
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Marla Daily
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Good for you! I'm a cultural anthropologist working on similar projects and am happy to share my related work. I've concentrated on a few original
family lines, including Villavicencios, and have some 1200+ of them, down to the original two who arrived in BCS.
Harry C. has been of great help to me through the years. I've visited his library several times.
The San Martin Canyon near Cadeje has many descendants of those in Harry's landmark book. (I had those I found sign my copy. None had seen the book
before.)
Fun stuff!!
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Very Cool Marla!
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I hope both of you will be able to put your work in a format that will be available to the families, and available in Spanish. I know there are many
members of the families who would be interested.
As they are not in short supply in our area, one of our good friends is a Villavicencio and at his oldest daughter's quinceañera, there were dozens of
Villavicencios from all over Baja Sur, Baja, and the mainland who attended. We know that at least some of them are very interested in their heritage
and do not know much about it. Of course, among this group there are also many Arces.
Have fun and wishing you both much success in your work!
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For several years I have ALWAYS put together in Spanish any information for all the rancheros and families. Just this past few days I spent a lot of
time discussing genealogy with many vaqueros from the Sierra. This information is para Los Ninos and the adults always understand the importance. A
few yrs back I gave a presentation at the Internado in Santa Marta for the kids and they loved hearing the stories of their ancestors and seeing the
collection of old fotos of their past 4 generations.
As I show lengthy pedigrees I teach them how to read them and so many times the folks' eyes light up and you hear...so that is my bisabuelo's name!
30 yrs ago I was the nosy gringa around the campfire....now any cowboy in attendance knows I can recite his pedigree back at least 5
generations...very cool!
Since my grt grt grt grt grt grt grt gr mother is a daughter of Sebastian Constantino Arce, I am always being greeted by many of the clan
---"prima!". I am also a Mayoral and a very old Marron plus many other of families Antiguas of Baja California and I will be including those lines in
the Californio Project along with the Villavicencio clan. Since my first Villavicencio choice was off at his ranch on a really baaaad camino, I fell
into getting my first Y sample from the Patricinio part of the old family. When I return in Nov. I will be Y testing at least 10 more folks.
It is ALWAYS for the Ninos.
My other 4WD is a Baja Mule!
La Mula Mil Survivor 2013-2014!
1000 miles by mule from the tip to Tecate!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Baja Bucko
For several years I have ALWAYS put together in Spanish any information for all the rancheros and families. Just this past few days I spent a lot of
time discussing genealogy with many vaqueros from the Sierra. This information is para Los Ninos and the adults always understand the importance. A
few yrs back I gave a presentation at the Internado in Santa Marta for the kids and they loved hearing the stories of their ancestors and seeing the
collection of old fotos of their past 4 generations.
As I show lengthy pedigrees I teach them how to read them and so many times the folks' eyes light up and you hear...so that is my bisabuelo's name!
30 yrs ago I was the nosy gringa around the campfire....now any cowboy in attendance knows I can recite his pedigree back at least 5
generations...very cool!
Since my grt grt grt grt grt grt grt gr mother is a daughter of Sebastian Constantino Arce, I am always being greeted by many of the clan
---"prima!". I am also a Mayoral and a very old Marron plus many other of families Antiguas of Baja California and I will be including those lines in
the Californio Project along with the Villavicencio clan. Since my first Villavicencio choice was off at his ranch on a really baaaad camino, I fell
into getting my first Y sample from the Patricinio part of the old family. When I return in Nov. I will be Y testing at least 10 more folks.
It is ALWAYS for the Ninos. |
While it is a ton of work, I hope you will some time be able to publish the family trees; maybe on the internet? It is just such a wonderful
project.
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Baja Bucko
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I have always had a problem with posting pedigrees on line mainly because if anywhere there is an error in my work or others w less diligence that
error becomes truth and gets passed on. Ancestry.com is notorious (spelling) for WRONG trees and info because anyone can build these trees. I have
spent over 40 yrs researching everything I can locate and I see people just grabbing info off the net and not checking facts.
I am sure I will put together something eventually and the whole new world of genetic genealogy just expands that horizon. It is an exciting time now
for the citizen scientist.
Anything at these websites should always be considered w caution as to accuracy.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Baja Bucko
I have always had a problem with posting pedigrees on line mainly because if anywhere there is an error in my work or others w less diligence that
error becomes truth and gets passed on. Ancestry.com is notorious (spelling) for WRONG trees and info because anyone can build these trees. I have
spent over 40 yrs researching everything I can locate and I see people just grabbing info off the net and not checking facts.
I am sure I will put together something eventually and the whole new world of genetic genealogy just expands that horizon. It is an exciting time now
for the citizen scientist.
Anything at these websites should always be considered w caution as to accuracy. |
Teddi, as long as you know the details are correct, it isn't your fault if you get mis-quoted by a future writer. Please share what you have worked so
hard at to give it even more value, to others.
I am also asking for your generosity in telling about your El Camino Real discoveries and adventures the past dozen years. Max Kurillo and I have
begun updating his popular 2000 Sunbelt book ('California's El Camino Real and its Historic Bells'), but instead of just a couple of pages on Baja's
portion, we will now have much more...
Harry Crosby and Howard Gulick did so much to tell the story of what they found in the 1950's-1970's... so it would be wonderful to add your findings
to the new book.
I can only see and draw its location, using Google Earth and Harry and Howard's maps... and have only hiked a few miles on the mission road. Please
consider it???
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Teddi,
I know you are a busy. important lady, but DK is right, if you do not publish something on the El Camino Real (as seen from a mule) I will beat you
soundly like a drum! :-)
Let me know when you get home (or stop by) and I will kick in a buck for the DNA tests.
Neal (HiW #?)
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Baja Bucko
For several years I have ALWAYS put together in Spanish any information for all the rancheros and families. Just this past few days I spent a lot of
time discussing genealogy with many vaqueros from the Sierra. This information is para Los Ninos and the adults always understand the importance. A
few yrs back I gave a presentation at the Internado in Santa Marta for the kids and they loved hearing the stories of their ancestors and seeing the
collection of old fotos of their past 4 generations.
As I show lengthy pedigrees I teach them how to read them and so many times the folks' eyes light up and you hear...so that is my bisabuelo's name!
30 yrs ago I was the nosy gringa around the campfire....now any cowboy in attendance knows I can recite his pedigree back at least 5
generations...very cool!
Since my grt grt grt grt grt grt grt gr mother is a daughter of Sebastian Constantino Arce, I am always being greeted by many of the clan
---"prima!". I am also a Mayoral and a very old Marron plus many other of families Antiguas of Baja California and I will be including those lines in
the Californio Project along with the Villavicencio clan. Since my first Villavicencio choice was off at his ranch on a really baaaad camino, I fell
into getting my first Y sample from the Patricinio part of the old family. When I return in Nov. I will be Y testing at least 10 more folks.
It is ALWAYS for the Ninos. |
I have the greatest respect and admiration for what you are doing.
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Baja Bucko
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Neal.....I am now on this side of la Linea in San Diego. I have to go work and make money so I can go back down. The folks I tested this trip are
very interested and their adult children VERY interested. In Nov I will be testing a whole bunch more.
One guy we joked w at first thought it was a blood test. When I told him no, it wasn't and then said to him "bend over".....he took a double take and
we all laughed. I love these Californios-no finer people exist.
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You are correct --- the internet would not be a good place to publish. It was not a good suggestion on my part. Protecting your years of work is a
good thing as many are quick to steal it from the internet
But I do hope you are able to publish your work --- would love to buy your book about the Camino Real and about the families especially as gifts for
some friends.
[Edited on 3-23-2013 by DianaT]
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ahhh prima...eres una maravilla! and you know you are probably related to mi esposo who is Arce Marron!!! Hey maybe you can sample him!
I think your project is very worthy and some of us would surely kick in some pesos to help it advance.
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Shari
Any relation (known of) to a Leopoldo Arce in Ensenada????
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