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[*] posted on 11-23-2016 at 12:51 PM


David does it have an aerial of the strip at Pta San Francisquito?
Used to fly in there on my friends 205
would bring back a bunch of good memories
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[*] posted on 11-23-2016 at 01:33 PM


Quote: Originally posted by DawnPatrol  
David does it have an aerial of the strip at Pta San Francisquito?
Used to fly in there on my friends 205
would bring back a bunch of good memories
Alan from San Diego


My pleasure!

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As you know, they paved runway 16/34 (15/33) but I think the asphalt has crumbled and using the drylake/salt flat (15/31?) is preferred, once again. Better check before landing!

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[*] posted on 11-23-2016 at 06:49 PM


Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Quote: Originally posted by DawnPatrol  
David does it have an aerial of the strip at Pta San Francisquito?
Used to fly in there on my friends 205
would bring back a bunch of good memories
Alan from San Diego


My pleasure!

1974 Airports of Baja:



1987 Airports of Baja:



1998 Air Baja!:


As you know, they paved runway 16/24 (15/33) but I think the asphalt has crumbled and using the drylake/salt flat (15/31?) is preferred, once again. Better check before landing!

Google Earth (2010 image):





[Edited on 11-23-2016 by David K]


I doubt that Punta San Francisquito still has fuel. None of the small airports seem to have gas anymore. Unfortunately.

Opposite ends of the same runway have the same sum of the digits. They are also 180 degrees apart. Thus Runways 16/24 and 15/31 do not compute. Runways 16/34 and 15/33 would make sense, however.
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[*] posted on 11-23-2016 at 08:43 PM


16/34 is what is on the diagram... I made a typo.

As for crooked runways, how about Mike's old strip at Los Encinos?





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[*] posted on 11-23-2016 at 09:45 PM


Never seen a crooked runway before!
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[*] posted on 11-23-2016 at 10:08 PM


Good thing the plane steers on the ground, too!



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[*] posted on 11-24-2016 at 08:09 PM


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Arnold's map gives each airport a number and that was the page in his book for that runway. The map numbers would change with new book editions. For example, Punta San Carlos (now the Solosports Resort runway) was a new addition in 1972, 106A. On the opposite side was another new runway, Guayaquil 106B. That two-sided page was added between 106 (El Mármol) and 107 Rancho Santa Ynez. This was my 1972 edition with the update pages. I received a 1974 set of updated pages and more in 1977. That was it. I wrote to Arnold, and I have his reply... he was very nice and helpful.

In 1987, I got the 17th edition of Senterfitt's Airports of Baja California. It was published in Vista, CA and may be the last one before Arnold sold out to Jack McCormick?

In the 17th edition, Punta San Carlos is airport #150. for example... the first airport is #116 (Tijuana) and the last Baja airport is #266 (Mexicali). Arnold went down one side of Baja and back up the other with the way he listed them. Not each page was an airport, so between 100-150 airports in this edition. Also, there were airports in northwestern Mexico's mainland illustrated... after Mexicali.

[Edited on 11-23-2016 by David K]


As I was looking over the CH-22 WAC chart and Senterfitt 17th, I was looking for airports that are no longer identified on the WAC chart.

There are a lot. For example, San Ignacio Downtown (177 per Senterfitt 17th) and San Juanico (179) are not on the WAC chart. I believe that the San Ignacio Downtown airport is no longer operating. On Google Earth, San Juanico looks iffy too.

Conversely, I noted that the WAC chart doesn't have an airport in Punta San Carlos. I recalled reading about the surf company there some time ago, and that they had a fly-in option. Looking at their website, and Google Earth, it appeared as if there was a strip right next to the camp.

Coincidentally, perhaps, I realized that you had referenced San Carlos above as 106A/150.

I wonder what other airports that are now in use that are not on the WAC chart.
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[*] posted on 11-24-2016 at 10:18 PM


Punta San Carlos is open, for certain. The owner of Solosports flys in regularly... and he is a Nomad, too (Kevin 'SoloSports'). www.solosports.net
I was there in a 2014 with Cameron Steele's tour. Here is a thread page with a photo of Kevin's plane on the runway there: http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=76320

It would be fun to do the airport search between the charts. Can you post sections of the WAC chart of Baja?



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[*] posted on 12-22-2016 at 08:46 AM


I landed in Mexicali Tuesday.

There was a pile of old books in the airport administration building. I asked if they were to be thrown away, and the officials confirmed I could take them.

I scored a 20th Edition McCormick/Senterfitt "Airports of Mexico," and a 2003 edition of McCormick's "Airports of Mexico." There was also an older Senterfitt "Airports of Mexico," but I don't know off the top of my head what edition it is. It's velobound and missing the cover. I can probably figure out the vintage, but left it at my office last night.
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[*] posted on 12-22-2016 at 12:16 PM


Quote: Originally posted by BigBearRider  
I landed in Mexicali Tuesday.

There was a pile of old books in the airport administration building. I asked if they were to be thrown away, and the officials confirmed I could take them.

I scored a 20th Edition McCormick/Senterfitt "Airports of Mexico," and a 2003 edition of McCormick's "Airports of Mexico." There was also an older Senterfitt "Airports of Mexico," but I don't know off the top of my head what edition it is. It's velobound and missing the cover. I can probably figure out the vintage, but left it at my office last night.


Wonderful! Share anything of interest... What year was the 20th edition? My 17th Edition was from 1987... It was an Airports of Baja (and NW Mexico)... and I think McCormick bought the rights from Arnold Senterfitt soon after?




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[*] posted on 12-22-2016 at 02:25 PM


The 20th edition is from 2001. McCoick bought Baja Bush Pilots in January 1996., per the 20th edition.

It's all interesting.
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[*] posted on 12-22-2016 at 04:41 PM


Quote: Originally posted by BigBearRider  
The 20th edition is from 2001. McCoick bought Baja Bush Pilots in January 1996., per the 20th edition.

It's all interesting.


A funny story...

Off Road cartoonist, Dave Deal (also created most of the characters in CARS, Armor all Viking) created the Baja Bush Pilots logo for Arnold Senterfitt... Dave lived in Vista and I went to his home several times to chat Baja history and stuff. Dave never got paid for doing the work, he told me! Arnold had burned some bridges I guess... but past is past and they are both in heaven now working it out!











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[*] posted on 12-22-2016 at 06:39 PM


Interesting story. I didn't know that.
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[*] posted on 12-23-2016 at 12:06 AM


The third Senterfitt book I got is from 1991, and is the "loose leaf edition."
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[*] posted on 12-23-2016 at 07:46 AM


Quote: Originally posted by BigBearRider  
The third Senterfitt book I got is from 1991, and is the "loose leaf edition."


Interesting... my loose leaf one was from 1972:



Older edition...



Newer...




and the other, newest one, with color photos...





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[*] posted on 1-4-2017 at 05:14 PM


The plot thickens.

The "1991 loose-leaf edition" ended up mostly containing the 17th edition, second printing, in a velo bound format, along with a few pages from the 1991 loose-leaf edition.

However, on the back of the "1991 loose-leaf edition" cover page there is a reference to the 1987 17th edition being "printed without the author's knowledge or permission. The author was later able to buy from dealers enough books to generate an 18th looseleaf edition and fight [his] way up to sea level."

Odd.
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[*] posted on 1-4-2017 at 06:22 PM


Yes, there was some politics when Jack McCormick bought the Baja Bush Pilots Club and book rights from Arnold... I knew a pilot in Vista who was contesting the deal, and that is where I got my 17th edition from... As I recall, I had a 15th edition (or 16th?) and he wanted it badly enough to trade me a new one (17th) for it... which was fine with me.

Here is the history as told by Jack: http://www.bushpilotsinternational.com/page.php?name=history




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