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woody with a view
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passaport? we don't need no stinking passaport!!!
what is the deal??? does anyone have a handle on this crap? it's been said, "they" can't deny you entry into "your" own country. but if you don't have
a passport upon arrival at the gate, will a birth cert be okay?
i know from experience that any time i'm coming north my boss will have been wondering where i've been for 2 or 3 days from when i told him i'd
return. i've quit trying to call him and make up a new excuse, now i'm just "late".
is there anyone out there who works for "la migra" or can find out what's really going on?
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Bruce R Leech
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First of all which country are you talking about ? witch way are you going?
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Bob and Susan
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The answer is...
Passport is required when you leave the country.
FAA rules have a lot to do with the enforcement since 911 when you fly.
The reality is...
Only a drivers license is required NOW if you drive. Thousands cross the border with only this daily. You can ask THEM.
Passport Fee $55.00
Processing Fee $30.00
Pictures $15.00
Total $95.00 each
It actually takes about 8 weeks to get the passport even though they say 6 weeks.
If you need it quicker than that then you need to...
Expidite it $60.00
2 weeks
Now the total is $155.00 each.
It's the "fleecing of america"
It's ALL about jobs and money circulation not national safety.
Passport website
http://www.travel.state.gov
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elizabeth
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Even at the expedited cost...$155...amortized over the 10 year life of the passport is only 15.50 a year...
What's the big deal...get a passport and you can go wherever and whenever you want.
It's good i.d., too. Is there a good argument for not having one?
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wilderone
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"Is there a good argument for not having one?" So if I have a passport, why do I need a Mexican Visa? When traveling in Europe with a passport, do
you get a separate entry document at each border and pay separate fees for each country? The ID required for a passport is the same as for a Mexican
Visa. AND Mexico still wants to charge $22 every six months (more often if you're flying)? Many Central American countries do not require passports.
People in the US military with military ID's have been able to use those ID's instead of passports. Seems to me requiring a passport and visa FOR
EVERYONE IN THE CAR - your children, spouse, mother, brother-in-law for a one or two-week trip to Baja will be stifling and detrimental to their No. 3
economic product - tourism. A family of four would have to pay at least $340 before they can cross into Mexico for a one-week trip; add $75 for
Mexican insurance. Right now you can fly to Hawaii from Los Angeles for $99- and you don't need a passport. (See travelzool.com). I.e., people
would definitely consider other vacation options. Would a passport requirement deter me? YES. They're building all those hundreds of frigging
condos all over southern Baja - want people to buy them, rent them, then stifle the means to get into the country. If Mexico is going to require
passports, they better give up something on the other end, like issue 2-year visas. A bit too onerous for me.
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BajaGrrls
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For the record, I'm far more concerned about only being able to buy one liter of liquor duty free than having to get a passport, which I'd get anyway.
Also, if you think tourists and development in Baja are annoying, wait until you get a load of the folks in Hawaii. 
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Dave
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bob and Susan
It's the "fleecing of america"
It's ALL about jobs and money circulation not national safety.
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A U.S. passport is one of the most valuable items on this planet. Just ask anyone who wants one. $95 is a bargain.
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bajalou
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Your passport is your identification worldwide. It shows you as a US citizen. Thats all. The visas etc required are premits to enter a country
wether it's Mexico, China or whatever. Most countries like to know who is arriving so the passport is the perfered ID. Nothing to strange about that
to my small mind. Those people buying or leasing property are required to have proper papers - FM3 or FM2 - to get either, a passport is required. I
cross the border at Mexicali fairly regularly and have never been asked to show a passport either coming or going to US. Never even been asked for a
driverse license unless I was walking - never in the car. Mexican citizens getting papers to come to the US for visits pay more than we do to visit
Mexico. Everyone knows you can get by with a lot of "stuff", but do you really want to?
And Dave is right, the passport is valuable. They go for big money on the black market.
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MrBillM
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I've carried a passport for almost twenty years and would never be without
one. Having said that, if your only concern is travel to and from Mexico
as a tourist, a passport is not required. A drivers license has always been
good enough for the Mexicans, a certified Birth Certificate is better.
As far as being denied entry BACK into your own country (U.S.A.), when you
pull up to the checkpoint, you are already inside the U.S. so they would
actually be deporting you if they forced you to go back. Something that is
not likely if you can show any reasonable proof that you are a legal U.S.
resident.
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Cameron
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Here's One To Think About...
| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bob and Susan
It's the "fleecing of america"
It's ALL about jobs and money circulation not national safety.
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...How about this food for thought?
As written earlier,
"The answer is... Passport is required when you leave the country."
As (supposedly) "free" citizens of a nation actively involved in nation building (Oops! I meant "spreading freedom...") around the globe, wouldn't you
think we were allowed to leave the US without the necessity of first paying cash in order to receive Uncle Sam's blessing (in the form of a Passport)?
I always thought I was free to exercise my "Freedom of Choice" by going wherever I pleased, whenever I felt the urge to "pursue life, liberty, and
happiness".
Sad but true though, that if you attempt to walk across a US border without buying your temporary "freedom" from the US Government, you are a
criminal. Not for entering Mexico, or Canada, or wherever, but for LEAVING the US without permission!
Unfortunately, the retail price of freedom has been set. It now costs a hundred bucks to exercise your Constitutionally-guaranteed Rights, and that
only buys you 10 years!
The rights of self-determination, of free choice, and of free will have been usurped by a machine run amok which is only (supposed to be) "governing"
at the behest of the citizenry.
"A U.S. passport is one of the most valuable items on this planet. Just ask anyone who wants one. $95 is a bargain."
Just remember, the $95 is only the tip of the iceberg. They're valuable for sure, but they now come with extra, "bonus" features!!!
Take a look at the juicier parts of the text of the Patriot Act. When you buy that Passport now, you have opted into a new computer-driven system of
personal information compilation and analysis. A "permanent record" is being created for you, for any current US Passport holder, and for all Passport
Applicants, just like your third-grade teacher threatened as the consequence of your continued tardiness.
The difference is that now your personal information, from the books you check out at the library, to your internet browsing habits is all readily
available, and now without the need for a silly old Judge to sign off on a Search Warrant or Court Order!!!
The destinations you travel to, (Including the methods of payment used and source account information for your tickets!) the countries you may pass
through on your trip, the purpose of your visit, is all now recorded for later analysis for every international air traveller holding that little blue
book.
Yeah, I know I'm starting to sound like one of those nuts screaming about black helicopters and the Trilateral Commission, but the more I think about
it, the more I think I'm the one who should be compensated here...
Before reaching for the flamethrowin' keyboard, think about your expectation of true freedom, of your own inalienable Rights, especially as they
relate to Privacy and self-determination: Those rights which are yours as a US Citizen, and which were once held so dearly at the core of our national
identity, are under daily attack by those charged with protecting them at all costs, "..Against all enemies, foreign and domestic...".
Seems to me that "...the Terrorists win..." not if I stop shopping at The Gap, but if I allow my own individual Rights to be suspended for any reason,
at any time, without a REAL good reason!!!
OK, I'm getting down off my soap box and heading back to the icebox...
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David K
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Maybe because 3,000 were butchered in ONE DAY... maybe that's the best that could be thought up to protect the rest of us, maybe if you don't help or
join the terrorists you have nothing to fear and maybe if the previous administration had done its job, none of this would have happened. Just maybe...
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elizabeth
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Philosophy aside...and Cameron, you make some good points...
The original post, I think was asking about needing a passport to come back into the US>
Here's the quote from the US State Dept in response to my question about whether or not a passport was necessary for coming back in to the US:
"While U.S. citizenship documents such as a certified copy of a U.S. birth certificate, a Naturalization Certificate, a Consular Report of Birth
Abroad, or a Certificate of Citizenship are acceptable, the U.S.
Embassy recommends traveling with a valid U.S. passport to avoid delays or
misunderstandings."
Before questioning Mexico, if in fact they are requiring a passport, we might check out the requirements and cost that the US makes on Mexicans
entering the US.
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bigzaggin
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Passport? License?
Here's a little tale from yesterday, crossing back after five days surfing/fishing :-):
On approach, I did as I typically do: Collected my co-pilot's license with my own in the left hand and readied them for the guard. Light turns
green, we roll up, big smile, licenses out the window, awaiting the "county of citzenship question."
Seconds later, we've both answered "USA" and the guard tosses both our licenses back in the car, sternly saying, "Just so you know, you must declare
your nationality at the border. Your driver's license does not indicate your citizenship." Then, perhaps on realizing the caked mud coating every
inch of my car would make for a sloppy camper shell search, he simply waves me by. Stunning and surreal.
This exchange raises a few fascinating questions, chiefly, How do people not from the United States score a valid CA (or any state's) driver's
license? And secondly, since I was not asked for a passport, Is an oral declaration universal evidence of citizenship? Like, I can just roll up
anywhere and be all, "Yo, I'm from the States," and people will be all, "Well, he said it outloud, it must be true. Come on in (or 'get the hell
out,' destination depending). And thirdly, why do they have to say "declare?" So silly. As if I'm gonna scale my Toyota, lift my hands Braveheart
style and proudly intone "I AM AMERICAN!" (semantics I know, but really, kind of goofy don't you think?)
Now, I wouldn't dare say my way is "the way" (not here anyway), but it had served me well for 15 (mostly) secondary-free years. This from one who's
uber-paranoid to trek deepest Baja with his precious passport (the stamps! so many years in the gettin'!). And while I've never once been asked for
it, yesterday changed my policy.
Take a passport.
Oh and FYI, the road between La Bocana and Point Joe is washed out. Majorly. Believe me. Check the "road conditions" forum for proof in a few.
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mrchuck
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Remember, a passport IS NOT needed if you stay in the USA and don't travel out of it.
If you leave the USA, you better be absolutely prepared to be able to truly identify yourself when you want to get back into the USA.
This is reality, folks. Nothing less will be accepted.
You can thank the radical muslims for this happening now and not 5 years from now.
Saludos,,,, mc
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Bob and Susan
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Passports are just a fancy piece of paper...
There is NO background check.
You go to a passport acceptance agency...ie Post Office, Library, City Hall etc...PAY the fees
You give them a birth certificate....they don't know if its real...
They copy your drivers license.....real???
They make you sware that the application you filled out is true....
and they mail it away...
6-8 weeks later you get a passport in the mail...NO signature required
They don't even know if the address is real.
The passport agency is overloaded with requests....they subcontract out much of the work.
Passports are only good for law abiding citizens....criminals can get them easily.
It's not the best ID.
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elgatoloco
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The Port Passes that we got for SENTRI included an FBI background check. 
MAGA
Making Attorneys Get Attorneys
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viabaja
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US Passports
Dave said it - "US Passports are one of the most valuable things on this planet"!
By the way, whenever you renew or start a new one, Dept of Homeland Security does a background check on you. Usually done by retired FBI agents. So
the cost of one is nothing!
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David K
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Anytime you leave the United States, proof that you are American should be on you. Mexico requires this proof to issue you a tourist card (required
for visits of over 3 days or trips beyond the 'border region'). So, if you don't have a passport then bring your birth certificate.
Last time I was asked for ID when crossing back, the drivers license was accepted for me, and my kids' birth certs. for them.
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Debra
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Bob or Suzan.....
Can you please point me in the direction of that library, post office ect. where they give out those passports so easily? I'm having to renew my
11yr. old son's (you have to do that every 5 yrs. for children) And for the first time I was turned away at the window (I didn't bring son with me, I
had his father, but not the child....HUH????) They gave me a stack of papers and told me that I needed to bring Brendan with me, also his father (or a
notirized statement for permission) and 2 checks. 1 for the county court $35 and one for the Feds. $55 Now, while I understand the reasoning for
wanting to know who is coming into our country I really think that it is pretty clear that my 'toe head' blue eyed 11yr. old isn't here to bomb
buildings, and I understand that in the past the reasoning was to keep parents from stealing children from each other and taking them to countries
where they would never see them again. What I don't understand is why, OH WHY! When traveling to Japan to meet my husband, Brendan was 5 (we were
transiting Vancover BC) they took my son away from me into a room and asked him if I was really his mother, okay true, I'm olive skinned, dark hair
and brown eyed...my son is as blond as blond can be and blue eyed......okay, I understand that they may have thought that something wasn't right, but,
I had his passport, b-cert., permission letter, even marriage cert. since I don't use my hubby's last name (20yrs. as a Travel Agent has taught me to
be 'armed') ....still, I had to spend a 9hr. flight calming my son who didn't understand why I let strangers take him away from me (Mommy failed him
in his eyes)......Sorry, I know I've gotten a bit off track here (it still grates on my nerves!)
U.S Passports ARE valuable......years ago I would advise my clients not to take their passports to Mexico (not needed and a 'red flag' for theft)
today? I'm never without it.....do I think it's a 'money cow' YOU BET! I seem to remember a few years ago (just after 9/11) that several field trips
had to be canceled for Mexican children to SD because their families couldn't afford the $100 for a passport.....seems to me that some 'rhyme' should
be put to the 'reason' 
As a side note......I have to say just how proud and grateful I was on that transit through Vancover BC. When I saw that all of the Canadian Airline
planes had a US flag and a Canadian flag together with "UNITED WE STAND" written underneth.......(Nov. 2001)
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Bob and Susan
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Debra
First....
We both have a passport?.but is is costly?.
?Can you please point me in the direction of that library, post office ect. where they give out those passports so easily??
Answer:
Where to apply:
http://iafdb.travel.state.gov/
The form:
http://travel.state.gov/passport/forms.html
?I'm having to renew my 11yr. old son's (you have to do that every 5 yrs. for children) And for the first time I was turned away at the window (I
didn't bring son with me, I had his father, but not the child....HUH????)?
Answer:
Of course your son has to be there?otherwise anyone could get passports?I don?t think this is unreasonable at all..
BOTH parents need to be present and show ID?If one can?t be there then?..
As of November 1st this statement of consent MUST be notarized:
http://travel.state.gov/passport/forms_DS3053.html
?They gave me a stack of papers and told me that I needed to bring Brendan with me, also his father (or a notirized statement for permission) and 2
checks.
1 for the county court $35 and one for the Feds. $55?
Answer:
You need to pay two people:
The passport agency
The passport acceptance agency
Two checks are OK but Money Orders are OK too
Someone quoted you the wrong fees!!!!
Adults are $55 Children under 14 are $40
New pictures are needed for children each time ~$15
Passport Acceptance agency gets only $30 not $35
http://travel.state.gov/passport/get_fees.html
Renewals for adults are done by the mail so there is no acceptance fee.
?What I don't understand is why, OH WHY! When traveling to Japan to meet my husband, Brendan was 5 (we were transiting Vancover BC) they took my son
away from me into a room and asked him if I was really his mother, okay true, I'm olive skinned, dark hair and brown eyed...my son is as blond as
blond can be and blue eyed......okay, I understand that they may have thought that something wasn't right, but, I had his passport, b-cert.,
permission letter, even marriage cert. since I don't use my hubby's last name (20yrs. as a Travel Agent has taught me to be 'armed') ....still, I had
to spend a 9hr. flight calming my son who didn't understand why I let strangers take him away from me (Mommy failed him in his eyes)......Sorry, I
know I've gotten a bit off track here (it still grates on my nerves!)?
Answer:
Japan IS NOT the USA!!!
PS?.the FBI does not do background checks on passports or sentri passes.
Don?t be fooled intop thinking we have the resources to provide these services to the American public.
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