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EnsenadaDr
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you know how easy it is to get lost in that area? Many that have been experienced in traveling around Catavina have said the same thing. No I would
prefer to have the rancher or someone who knows the area be my guide thank you. I don't want to become another statistic, though some wish I would
follow your advice!! From what Lizard Lips last communicated with me, the rancher lives in Ensenada much of the time and I could have easily visited
him. But I had a red light thrown at me when I asked who and where the rancher was, and "DON'T CONTACT ME AGAIN!!!"
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TMW
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Oh well, I'm just trying to be helpful. Have a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.
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Enrique2012
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That appears to be a "Put up, or shut up" challenge and now we have our answer.
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EnsenadaDr
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Yes and I genuinely appreciate that!! Have a wonderful Christmas and a Happy New Year to you and yours!!
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EnsenadaDr
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well you know Enrique some people don't like others trampling on their comfort zones. For instance, I encourage anyone to think outside the box and
don't mind someone giving their opinion about medicine. but I have been told to stay off the investigative territory because I should stick to
medicine and I guess that's all they feel I am supposed to do.
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dtbushpilot
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Quote: Originally posted by EnsenadaDr  | | you know how easy it is to get lost in that area? Many that have been experienced in traveling around Catavina have said the same thing. No I would
prefer to have the rancher or someone who knows the area be my guide thank you. I don't want to become another statistic, though some wish I would
follow your advice!! From what Lizard Lips last communicated with me, the rancher lives in Ensenada much of the time and I could have easily visited
him. But I had a red light thrown at me when I asked who and where the rancher was, and "DON'T CONTACT ME AGAIN!!!" |
You have everything you need to conduct your search Doc. The GPS cords and a map will put you at the nearby ranch, hire someone from the ranch to be
your guide. It really is as simple as that, go for it, take lots of pictures and post a trip report.
Good luck and Merry Christmas!
"Life is tough".....It's even tougher if you're stupid.....
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EnsenadaDr
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Ron Hoff came on this board and said he got lost with a GPS in his car and he knows the area weill. I am not going off the main highway without a
guide. From what I am hearing you need a truck and gary had a 4 x4 and got stuck. there would be no way I would go without someone experienced by my
side.
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JoeJustJoe
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| Quote: Originally posted by EnsenadaDr | | Well then Lizard Lips who is the Rancher so if anyone else wants to locate and question him it might be helpful to know who he is. You said over your
dead body you wouldn't release that information. Have a wonderful Christmas and a Happy New Year to you and yours BTW!! |
EnsendaDr don't let these Nomads bully you.
Keep asking the questions, and the number one thing to always do, is follow the money trail and always ask who is involved.
Gary should have been declared dead over a year ago, a death certificate issued, the search party called off, and probably this thread should have
been closed.
At this point even a recovery operation, is very unlikely to yield anything.
Baja Blanca in a few posts up, and a few others, claims there is a PI working for the case, and he is optimistic as she is, that Garry is alive,
somewhere. And this Godsend PI is working on the cheap, and only wants expensive cover, for him and his team of dedicated searches who are probably
on Gary's trail as we speak. Although nobody has heard from the PI.
And of course we don't know who this PI is.
LL says, there is no hidden agenda, or any shroud of secrecy, with any of the information posted.
Now you could just call me skeptical and call my out for my lack of faith.
[Edited on 12-24-2014 by JoeJustJoe]
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EnsenadaDr
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It's all about power trips Joe. That's the bottom line..
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David K
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| Quote: Originally posted by EnsenadaDr | | Ron Hoff came on this board and said he got lost with a GPS in his car and he knows the area weill. I am not going off the main highway without a
guide. From what I am hearing you need a truck and gary had a 4 x4 and got stuck. there would be no way I would go without someone experienced by my
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Gary's Toyota was 2WD.
There are roads and as long as you stay on roads you will be fine. If I could go I would as this is a mystery.
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EnsenadaDr
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well David as many times as you said I was a city slicker, I wouldn't step foot alone in that territory or with an unexperienced guide. And I don't
have a truck. so I'm not going till I contact the rancher bottom line. Or the new Pink Panther of Rosarito Beach, whatever his name is.
[Edited on 12-24-2014 by EnsenadaDr]
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Mexitron
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | | Quote: Originally posted by EnsenadaDr | | Ron Hoff came on this board and said he got lost with a GPS in his car and he knows the area weill. I am not going off the main highway without a
guide. From what I am hearing you need a truck and gary had a 4 x4 and got stuck. there would be no way I would go without someone experienced by my
side. |
Gary's Toyota was 2WD.
There are roads and as long as you stay on roads you will be fine. If I could go I would as this is a mystery. |
Me too, been trying to get to the area but can't seem to find the time. Very easy to get to though.
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24baja
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| Quote: Originally posted by BajaBlanca | Wishing you all merry, merry holidays ... have not heard anything at all about our missing Gary Patton, nothing from our PI. I do want to clarify
based on the discussion here that our PI is not the actual person doing the work down there, he has a team of folks of which most are from Baja, and
it is a team of good-hearted people who just make it their business to try to find and rescue people. According to him, none of us gringos have any
idea how many folks go missing down there, even here in the States, how we at large are truly ignorant of the prevalence of this hardship that goes on
every day.
May I ask you all to try not to bash each other over prior comments or sideways conversations that soon will comments from "last year," and we can
move on to more helpful outlooks in 2015. Clearly, most of you as well as Gary's family have given up, and that is the far easier thing to do, and for
some, a must-do for children' sake. Pack it in and move on with life. Well, I will not do that, it is not my personality to walk away when there is no
proof of anything in terms of foul play. This is one of the reasonings the detective gave me, no evidence or suggestion of foul play, simply an
abandoned vehicle completely found in tact is not a suggestion of the worst. He stated many weird and unfathomable things cause Americanos to get lost
and yes, years can go by until they are found. And even Mexicanos experience these issues down there, it is the terrain and the life.
I would rather use my energy worrying about how it will be when Gary is found, how we will live our lives again. While you all are spending time with
your loved ones or doing what you love, just think of the many things about your life you can and should be grateful for, and say a little prayer for
me, that we will resolve "missing Gary Patton." Best to all... |
Do you guys not read well? I think you we asked to STOP BASHING EACH OTHER! Lets be respectful here. Thanks and Merry Christmas!
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David K
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| Quote: Originally posted by EnsenadaDr | well David as many times as you said I was a city slicker, I wouldn't step foot alone in that territory or with an unexperienced guide. And I don't
have a truck. so I'm not going till I contact the rancher bottom line. Or the new Pink Panther of Rosarito Beach, whatever his name is.
[Edited on 12-24-2014 by EnsenadaDr] |
Is there another David K and I am getting the blame? LOL
Please post where I ever called you that ('many times' or even once)???
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bajaguy
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Some people just bring it onto themselves
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Do you guys not read well? I think you we asked to STOP BASHING EACH OTHER! Lets be respectful here. Thanks and Merry Christmas!
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Bubba
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Give it a rest.
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BajaBlanca
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Received today:
Nomads,
Let me put this one to rest right now, right this minute...
The U.S. Law protects the unprotected who cannot protect themselves... without a body, you cannot enact a death certificate on someone because you
"think" or "assume" they are dead, without absolute proof of death.. we do not have that! Thank God! And to get that from Mexico, are you kidding me
how long and where do we begin without proof?
Please if you experts think of a way to enact a proof of death without a body, I am all ears because outside of television you cannot presto-peso,
make that happen. And, by U.S. law, it is 7 years until filing in a Court of Law that someone has been missing, without bodily evidence. OR are You
are lawyers, and been withholding on me all this time, and could've advised me otherwise all this time? Do you all think we have not checked out the
law given the gravity and length of this case?
Please folks, there is also NO MONEY trail, go back to earlier pages here, we've been all thru the facts that he went there on cash and there is no
money trail, been none, done all that, PLEASE. This posting is about a MISSING PERSON who went MISSING and is gone, OFF the radar and all points say
he is no more dead than alive, because THERE IS NO BODY AND NO EVIDENCE OF FOUL PLAY. So you nay-sayers, guess what, you've got no more evidence than
ya-sayers, and you have to have evidence to prove either way.
You want to contribute to the efforts here , the efforts are to finding our missing Gary Patton, not re-dredging a bunch of crap about a good man
we've lost. You want that kind of story, please, find it elsewhere.
And there are no deep withheld secrets here, Ms. Doctor, it is a MISSING PERSON CASE, you want more names , dates and specifics, spend time going
back on this posting. ..how many pages of information do you need (114 work for you)? Our man is still missing, what the heck is being withheld, you
want to go searching, call me...PLEASE stop INSInutating there is a depth of kept secrets, there is nothing!!! I WISH THERE WERE!!! I keep
investigator names and the Ranchers because they're not relevant to YOU, nor anyone like you who DOES NOT need to know. Are you planning to travel
there , no? so why do you need to know? We are trying to get results here, suggestions from folks that want to contribute, maybe be suggest places
and/know or see something, or of somebody, if you think you should know more, help more. You think I do not wish I had more to offer you, really?
Please, you as a doctor, are you there to help or aggravate?
To all of you that contribute every day, and send well wishes, thank you... you've been a god send, as you know.
I hope to have some kind of update in the next week or so. Thank you all for staying with us another year..
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David K
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BRAVO!
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micah202
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...wow,to lose a family member in such a way,,and have no resolution ,is much like an open wound.....I hope there's some closure soon!
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24baja
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Well said Bajablanca.....please listen to this request sh**stirrers!
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