| Pages:
1
2 |
bajacalifornian
Super Nomad
Posts: 1117
Registered: 9-4-2010
Location: Loreto/Lopez Mateos/Rosarito
Member Is Offline
|
|
No surprise Loreto is not on the list.
And lttle Lopez number 5! Wow!
American by birth, Mexican by choice.
Signature addendum: Danish physicist — Niels Bohr — who said, “The opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth.
Jeff Petersen
|
|
|
BajaRat
Super Nomad
Posts: 1302
Registered: 3-2-2010
Location: SW Four Corners / Bahia Asuncion BCS
Member Is Offline
Mood: Ready for some salt water with my Tecate
|
|
Viva ! Asuncion !
|
|
|
BajaBlanca
Select Nomad
Posts: 13166
Registered: 10-28-2008
Location: La Bocana, BCS
Member Is Offline
|
|
Viva punta abreojos and bahia asuncion! That is just awesome!
|
|
|
DianaT
Select Nomad
Posts: 10020
Registered: 12-17-2004
Member Is Offline
|
|
I wonder about this. One of the important things for kids continuing on to college is learning English as many of the textbooks are in English;
English is NOT taught in Asuncion. The teacher does not speak English and the English classes are a joke. In trying to help some of the older
students, I was amazed at how little they knew and that they never spoke English while in class. I have been told by friends that the teacher is
there because of who she knows.
This really hurts the students as many need to delay college entrance while they take special English classes.
[Edited on 10-5-2013 by DianaT]
|
|
|
Osprey
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 3694
Registered: 5-23-2004
Location: Baja Ca. Sur
Member Is Offline
|
|
Are you sure that English is a requirement in Baja California schools? Diane, could you be wrong about that? Or, said another way "How and where did
you learn English was required in Baja California schools."
|
|
|
DianaT
Select Nomad
Posts: 10020
Registered: 12-17-2004
Member Is Offline
|
|
| Quote: | Originally posted by Osprey
Are you sure that English is a requirement in Baja California schools? Diane, could you be wrong about that? Or, said another way "How and where did
you learn English was required in Baja California schools." |
We have been told by local parents that English is a requirement at the secondary level. Have I checked the official Mexican Department of Education?
No. My information is strictly from the local parents in Bahia Asuncion.
And, a while back they were in the process of requiring the teaching of English in all Mexican schools beginning at the elementary level, but there
was some opposition to that so I do not if it is being done or not. Again, it was a topic of conversation with local parents after I read it
somewhere--- sorry, I don't remember where. The locals were the ones who explained from where some of the opposition was coming. Again, did I go
out and poll the country to verify? No.
And have I personally checked out the science textbooks at the university in Ensenada? NO --- again, it is just what local parents have told us.
Do I know that the students were not being taught English worth a darn in Bahia Asuncion? Well, I did not work with every student in Bahia Asuncion,
just some very bright ones. They were very good students with very good grades.
[Edited on 10-5-2013 by DianaT]
|
|
|
Osprey
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 3694
Registered: 5-23-2004
Location: Baja Ca. Sur
Member Is Offline
|
|
How about next time "Some local parents told me the secondary schools in this village teach English as a mandatory course."
|
|
|
DENNIS
Platinum Nomad
Posts: 29510
Registered: 9-2-2006
Location: Punta Banda
Member Is Offline
|
|
| Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
We have been told by local parents that English is a requirement at the secondary level. Have I checked the official Mexican Department of Education?
No. My information is strictly from the local parents in Bahia Asuncion.
|
I question that as well for secondary schools. Ensenada is running over with bright young folks who went through the system at that level, and don't
speak a word of English.
A foreign language is required in some, if not all, of the college level curriculums. Many students choose Italian for the ease of comprehension.
"YOU CAN'T LITTER ALUMINUM"
|
|
|
Bajaboy
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 4375
Registered: 10-9-2003
Location: Bahia Asuncion, BCS, Mexico
Member Is Offline
|
|
| Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
| Quote: | Originally posted by Osprey
Are you sure that English is a requirement in Baja California schools? Diane, could you be wrong about that? Or, said another way "How and where did
you learn English was required in Baja California schools." |
We have been told by local parents that English is a requirement at the secondary level. Have I checked the official Mexican Department of Education?
No. My information is strictly from the local parents in Bahia Asuncion.
And, a while back they were in the process of requiring the teaching of English in all Mexican schools beginning at the elementary level, but there
was some opposition to that so I do not if it is being done or not. Again, it was a topic of conversation with local parents after I read it
somewhere--- sorry, I don't remember where. The locals were the ones who explained from where some of the opposition was coming. Again, did I go
out and poll the country to verify? No.
And have I personally checked out the science textbooks at the university in Ensenada? NO --- again, it is just what local parents have told us.
Do I know that the students were not being taught English worth a darn in Bahia Asuncion? Well, I did not work with every student in Bahia Asuncion,
just some very bright ones. They were very good students with very good grades.
[Edited on 10-5-2013 by DianaT] |
Things have changed....they are teaching English at the secondary level...we just had this conversation last week with some friends.
|
|
|
EnsenadaDr
Banned
Posts: 5027
Registered: 9-12-2011
Location: Baja California
Member Is Offline
Mood: Move on. It is just a chapter in the past, but don't close the book- just turn the page
|
|
You are right Diana. My daughter attended public school in Mexico in 6th grade. They taught the colors and the basic numbers. I then put her in a
private school in Ensenada which cost me about $250 American a month, but they had an excellent English program. The books you had to buy were about
$400 American yearly, and the enrollment fee was $400 American. This is the going rate for any parent that wants her child to get a good basis in
English. MY daughter spoke perfect English but I wanted her to keep up with the grammar, so this is the price you have to pay. You are right to
point out that being the best public school in Mexico does not mean you learn English. | Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
I wonder about this. One of the important things for kids continuing on to college is learning English as many of the textbooks are in English;
English is NOT taught in Asuncion. The teacher does not speak English and the English classes are a joke. In trying to help some of the older
students, I was amazed at how little they knew and that they never spoke English while in class. I have been told by friends that the teacher is
there because of who she knows.
This really hurts the students as many need to delay college entrance while they take special English classes.
[Edited on 10-5-2013 by DianaT] |
[Edited on 10-5-2013 by EnsenadaDr]
|
|
|
Mulegena
Super Nomad
Posts: 2412
Registered: 11-7-2006
Member Is Offline
|
|
I'm not favorably impressed by the calibre of education at the secondary level here in Mulege.
I assume the standard is the same throughout the state.
The students have 2 months off in summer and 2 months off at Christmas time.
They regularly have 1-3 hour school days.
My step-daughter is in her last year of college-prep. Yes, according to her, she and every student in her public school studies English and has
studied for several years. This brings forth the logical question, "Can she speak or understand even a rudimentary amount of the language after years
of classroom lessons?" The answer is a resounding "No".
Additionally, she wants to study nursing in college, but her options of studying science now are limited. For example there's no advanced sciences
taught, no chemistry laboratory. She is restricted to the school's curriculum which gives a limited option of majors; she has chosen to major in
Hospitality which focus of study is geared to cooking and working in hotels.
I've urged her to meet with a guidance counselor to discuss her education plans but that's not an option until the end of the school year after she
takes her college entrance exams.
Additionally, some of the (male) teachers say it's not necessary to educate females beyond secondary school because they're only going to become
mothers.
We have a long way to go if Mexico is going to step-up and be a contributor on the world-stage, imo.
"Raise your words, not your voice. It's rain that grows flowers, not thunder." ~Rumi
"It's the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." ~ Aristotle
|
|
|
DENNIS
Platinum Nomad
Posts: 29510
Registered: 9-2-2006
Location: Punta Banda
Member Is Offline
|
|
| Quote: | Originally posted by Mulegena
I've urged her to meet with a guidance counselor to discuss her education plans but that's not an option until the end of the school year after she
takes her college entrance exams.
Additionally, some of the (male) teachers say it's not necessary to educate females beyond secondary school because they're only going to become
mothers.
|
Sounds like public education at it's worst. No discussion with a counselor until it's so late in the game?
That is sinful.
Your next paragraph is mind-boggling, so I won't comment on it except to say it's mind-boggling. Absolutely mind-boggling. [can't say it enough]
"YOU CAN'T LITTER ALUMINUM"
|
|
|
Mulegena
Super Nomad
Posts: 2412
Registered: 11-7-2006
Member Is Offline
|
|
All I can say is I'm glad she's a stand-up girl.
She has a dream of a future and is willing to go after it.
She's a good girl and strong-minded and doesn't believe that chiite her teachers spew!
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Mulegena
I've urged her to meet with a guidance counselor to discuss her education plans but that's not an option until the end of the school year after she
takes her college entrance exams.
Additionally, some of the (male) teachers say it's not necessary to educate females beyond secondary school because they're only going to become
mothers.
|
Sounds like public education at it's worst. No discussion with a counselor until it's so late in the game?
That is sinful.
Your next paragraph is mind-boggling, so I won't comment on it except to say it's mind-boggling. Absolutely mind-boggling. [can't say it enough]
|
"Raise your words, not your voice. It's rain that grows flowers, not thunder." ~Rumi
"It's the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." ~ Aristotle
|
|
|
DENNIS
Platinum Nomad
Posts: 29510
Registered: 9-2-2006
Location: Punta Banda
Member Is Offline
|
|
| Quote: | Originally posted by Mulegena
She's a good girl and strong-minded and doesn't believe that chiite her teachers spew!
|
Good for her.
There's a public school, primary I think, here in PB, and it's a good day when they can coax the teachers into the classroom. If it weren't for expat
volunteers teaching the kids some English, they wouldn't learn anything, but the government will have fulfilled it's mandate to provide the kids with
a school.
Being from a wealthy, educated family in Mexico is a blessing for kids.
"YOU CAN'T LITTER ALUMINUM"
|
|
|
EnsenadaDr
Banned
Posts: 5027
Registered: 9-12-2011
Location: Baja California
Member Is Offline
Mood: Move on. It is just a chapter in the past, but don't close the book- just turn the page
|
|
I know when I graduated Medical school in Ensenada, there was a TOEFL test for English that everyone had to take. I spoke English better than the
English teacher!! | Quote: | Originally posted by Osprey
Are you sure that English is a requirement in Baja California schools? Diane, could you be wrong about that? Or, said another way "How and where did
you learn English was required in Baja California schools." |
|
|
|
BajaLuna
Senior Nomad
Posts: 581
Registered: 12-5-2012
Location: Pacific Northwest/Bahia Asuncion
Member Is Offline
Mood: groovy
|
|
kudos to Bahia Asuncion!
And wow that's great news, BajaBoy!
I agree, Dennis, mind-boggling!
|
|
|
Mulegena
Super Nomad
Posts: 2412
Registered: 11-7-2006
Member Is Offline
|
|
Can you explain this further, lencho?
Certainly the language of science is Latin.
Are college textbooks not available in Spanish, only English?
| Quote: | Originally posted by lencho
| Quote: | Originally posted by Mulegena
Additionally, she wants to study nursing in college, but her options of studying science now are limited. |
If there is any possibility that she go into a science field in Mexico, it is imperative that she continue with English, as far as
she can possibly go. That will give her a head start, even if science subjects are not available in her current situation. |
"Raise your words, not your voice. It's rain that grows flowers, not thunder." ~Rumi
"It's the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." ~ Aristotle
|
|
|
DENNIS
Platinum Nomad
Posts: 29510
Registered: 9-2-2006
Location: Punta Banda
Member Is Offline
|
|
| Quote: | Originally posted by whistler
It use to be German if you wanted to go into the sciences.My aunt was able to transfer high schools in the early forties because the one she went to
did not offer it. .
|
Wonder why? 
"YOU CAN'T LITTER ALUMINUM"
|
|
|
EnsenadaDr
Banned
Posts: 5027
Registered: 9-12-2011
Location: Baja California
Member Is Offline
Mood: Move on. It is just a chapter in the past, but don't close the book- just turn the page
|
|
Since I am an American Citizen, and I was not taking English as a Foreign Language I was excluded. My medical director called up the English teacher
and said, "What are you crazy (to her) (and he speaks good English), this lady and writes better English that you!! | Quote: | Originally posted by lencho
| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
I spoke English better than the English teacher!! |
Duhh. What were your results on the TOEFL? |
|
|
|
EnsenadaDr
Banned
Posts: 5027
Registered: 9-12-2011
Location: Baja California
Member Is Offline
Mood: Move on. It is just a chapter in the past, but don't close the book- just turn the page
|
|
Wasn't Germany the center of technology and science around World War II? Also Dennis talking about Mexican schools and English, how much Spanish did
you remember from high school before you moved or traveled to Mexico? It is not required in the public school system in Mexico on a more advanced
level because the native language is Spanish, just like advanced Spanish in the US is not required. | Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by whistler
It use to be German if you wanted to go into the sciences.My aunt was able to transfer high schools in the early forties because the one she went to
did not offer it. .
|
Wonder why? |
|
|
|
| Pages:
1
2 |
![[*]](images/xmbforum/default_icon.gif){kind=icon}
