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dtbushpilot
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Got my TIP last year in La Paz, got the decal.
"Life is tough".....It's even tougher if you're stupid.....
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MEXICO -- Starting around Dec.7 of last year, several Americans with boats docked in marinas located throughout Mexico had their vessels boarded and
subsequently impounded by the SAT (Mexico’s IRS) over the course of several weeks. At press time, a total of 338 boats were reported to have been
impounded.
- See more at: http://www.thelog.com/Local/Article/....Tx1PVqxr.dpuf
If there shall be war, let it start here.
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micah202
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...and here's a result of the SAT's actions... http://cdmtocabo.com/2014Race/
....how many permit's will they need to sell to re-gain this lo$$??
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rts551
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| Quote: | Originally posted by micah202
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...and here's a result of the SAT's actions... http://cdmtocabo.com/2014Race/
....how many permit's will they need to sell to re-gain this lo$$?? |
direct result? I read it as a combination of things. I also think 5 bucks a year is cheap fora permit that allows Mexico to keep track of what
comes into their country..
" Economic conditions, recent events in Mexico affecting boaters, difficulty in landing sponsors and the general state of offshore keelboat racing in
Southern California all combined to make it very challenging to host this race in 2014."
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Information on Boat Seizures in Mexico
I attended a meeting the other night of the Cruceros Cruisers Club in La Paz.
They had a guest who seemed to be very well informed about the recent issues with boat seizures, both in Baja and on the mainland.
I will try to summarize as best I can what he had to say.
Due to a new administration, a decision was made to enforce the rules regarding Temporary Import Permits (TIP's).
When one brings their boat into Mexican waters, they must either have or obtain a TIP. The cost is relatively low and they are good for multiple
years.
The forms that had been used for TIP for boats were originally intended for road vehicles. As a result, there were problems with some of the fields.
The biggest problem was that the applications asked for a VIN. Boats don't have VIN's. Some don't even have hull numbers.
People filled this field with a variety of numbers - their documentation numbers, the numbers on their engines, their state registration numbers and
sometimes their hull numbers.
When the inspectors swarmed some of the marinas, they had handheld devices. They would look for HULL numbers and enter these into their devices.
If there was no match, they impounded the boats. Since so many of the numbers in this field were wrong, a large number of boats were impounded.
As individuals have gotten updated TIP's with accurate information, boats have been released. According to him, most boats have been released at this
time. The ones still held are those for which an updated TIP has not been obtained.
In the meantime, the press in the US and elsewhere has been extremely negative. In light of this, the government has stopped the program for now.
However, they could reinstitute it at any time.
It is important that anyone with a boat check their boat and make sure the hull number is in the field that lists "VIN". It is also important that
this number be somewhere on the boat where it can be seen and read. There will be problems if your boat does not have a hull number, and I am not
sure how that is being addressed.
The TIP comes with a sticker. Again, because the form is meant for cars, the instructions are to put this below your rear view mirror.
Due to their generally not being a rear view mirror on a boat, lol, and these stickers not being very weather resistant, he advised people to not
attach the stickers. He did advise to make a COLOR copy of your TIP, take a picture of the hull number and attach these to your boat if you are not
going to be aboard.
That's about all I know. I think the immediate crisis has passed, but there could be issues in the future.
Oh, and if you don't have a TIP, I would strongly advise you to get one ASAP.
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captkw
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boats from the US
smaller vessels since april 1972 have a VIN on the outer starboard transom..larger vessels are documented with the U.S.C.G or regged with the DMV of
the state the boat was purchased in !!! ....K&T
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weebray
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| Quote: | Originally posted by captkw
smaller vessels since april 1972 have a VIN on the outer starboard transom..larger vessels are documented with the U.S.C.G or regged with the DMV of
the state the boat was purchased in !!! ....K&T |
Hogwash. My boat made around 1990 (depending on which paper you use) in England has NO number anywhere on the boat. The "paperwork" says it is hull
#9. There is a "9" on the original mainsail, I guess that's the documented proof?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by weebray
| Quote: | Originally posted by captkw
smaller vessels since april 1972 have a VIN on the outer starboard transom..larger vessels are documented with the U.S.C.G or regged with the DMV of
the state the boat was purchased in !!! ....K&T |
Hogwash. My boat made around 1990 (depending on which paper you use) in England has NO number anywhere on the boat. The "paperwork" says it is hull
#9. There is a "9" on the original mainsail, I guess that's the documented proof? |
(I think you missed
cappy's subject line,"boats from the u.s.")
[Edited on 1-19-2014 by willardguy]
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Hook
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sequoyah, that is probably the most complete description I have read of what occurred. Thank you for that.
But you mention "In light of this, the government has stopped the program for now." Do you mean the TIP program or just the enforcement effort?
Certainly, they couldnt suspend the TIP program, I would think.
One thing not mentioned is that there are still TIPS out there that have not expired that did not come with a sticker. It appears these were issued
around 2003 or 4 up till maybe 2006 or so. I know a couple people who got theirs in 2005 and never got a sticker.
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fourninerpapa
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Does this apply to kayaks, canoes or inflatables such as Zodiacs?
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Alan
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| Quote: | Originally posted by dtbushpilot
Got my TIP last year in La Paz, got the decal. |
So did I but I didn't get a sticker?
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sequoyah
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
sequoyah, that is probably the most complete description I have read of what occurred. Thank you for that.
But you mention "In light of this, the government has stopped the program for now." Do you mean the TIP program or just the enforcement effort?
Certainly, they couldnt suspend the TIP program, I would think.
One thing not mentioned is that there are still TIPS out there that have not expired that did not come with a sticker. It appears these were issued
around 2003 or 4 up till maybe 2006 or so. I know a couple people who got theirs in 2005 and never got a sticker. |
He said they had stopped the enforcement program until they could get some things straightened out, but advised that they could restart it anywhere at
any time.
In terms of TIP's without stickers, he advised taking them in for updating, if possible, but did not think it was critical to do so.
Just might save some significant hassle if they do come to your boat.
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Jack Swords
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Many folks do not realize the "sticker" is part of the TIP and attached to the back of the document.
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Alan
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Jack Swords
Many folks do not realize the "sticker" is part of the TIP and attached to the back of the document. |
So do
we take it off and put on our boat or keep it affixed to the TIP?
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captkw
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Sir weebray
AS pointed out here I stated boats from The USA...If you think for a second your in a postion to argue with me about ADMARTI law lets go.....all us
made vessels since april 1972 have a vin # on the outer starboard transom...not up for debate!! there are boats built in many other places that have
other rules !! I Think you might want to look up the "furgensen act" in regard to vessel regs of the USA...BTW most ships are not regged in the USA
but Nassau...Fact!!
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VIN???? - Frayed Knot
FYI......It's a HIN (Hull Identification Number), not a VIN (Vehicle Identification Number).
Also if you use the terminology "HIN Number" or "VIN Number" you are being redundant:
HIN Number = Hull Identification Number Number
VIN Number = Vehicle Identification Number Number
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Ship_Hull_numbers
| Quote: | Originally posted by captkw
AS pointed out here I stated boats from The USA...If you think for a second your in a postion to argue with me about ADMARTI law lets go.....all us
made vessels since april 1972 have a vin # on the outer starboard transom...not up for debate!! |
[Edited on 1-20-2014 by bajaguy]
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captkw
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OK..your sorta right !!
AS a EX boat dealer,, I can tell you if you go in to DMV CA and say,,write,, HIN you will get blank looks from the clerks...its normal to say,,write
VIN....Just the way it is...with a "bill of Laden" and a HIN/VIN is the start of the process to reg a boat from the factory...SO...yes you are
correct in the thought process.. but in the real world its is referred as the VIN....
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jimgrms
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seems like all boat owners .that do not have whats required in the way of paperwork.. will need to do whats required to get it , instead of just
asking board members
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