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bajatravelergeorge
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Having a medical malpractice attorney in the family has convinced me to never, ever have Kaiser involved in my healthcare. You will never hear the
horror stories I hear due to Kaisers arbitration policies and the number of Kaiser cases my family member handles is higher than any other medical
provider. Kaiser is also very careful with its public image and they "manage" it in a way similar to Hyundai or Kia. They sell you junk but they
"train" their retailers to "train" consumers to give them high marks. This is why Kaiser has developed a cult like following.
Secondly, socialised medicine in America has been a goal of liberals for decades and the ACA is the first step in that direction. They hijacked a
narrow set of healthcare issues that affected a small percentage of the population like pre-existing conditions and caps on coverage to justify
tearing apart the current system. There were other ways to fix those issues without resorting to the ACA. I must congratulate oxxo for his mastery of
the liberal talking points and his dedication to the liberal cause, though I must respectfully disagree. BTW, I don't watch foxnews or msnbc and I'm
not associated with any Tea Party group, so save those insults for someone else.
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dasubergeek
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California forces hospitals to publish their tariff sheets (called "charge masters"). These are the "rack rates" they charge to Joe Schmo who walks in
and is going to pay for his own care. It's ridiculous; you'll see things like $26 for a dose of Tylenol that would cost $1.99 at the 7-Eleven. Those
charge masters, more than anything else, made me realize to what extent the insured pay for the uninsured.
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oxxo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by dasubergeek
Those charge masters, more than anything else, made me realize to what extent the insured pay for the uninsured. |
And how those uninsured get soaked. And how the uninsured are paid for by taxpayers more often than not.
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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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Until lawyers are separated from the trough, there will be no "fix". A too high percentage of ER patients are undocumented and thus the federal health
plan will have little effect on ER service solicitations.
Doctors need some form of grading system. Like an automotive service facility, the good ones get a lot of customers. Many MD's I have had to deal with
in the Medicare system are unabashed rejects. They would never make it on their own. Not in a million years.
Ewww in the right light I can see SCARS from the stitches. Time to call Carnage and Shyster LLC.
A Lot To See And A Lot To Do
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Cypress
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You just can't fix stupid.
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Bajaboy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
You just can't fix stupid. |
You betcha
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
Oh I just love that quote from Bajatravelergeorge, that a pre-existing condition or caps on coverage only affects a small percentage of the
population.
Really Bajatravelergeorge ?
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Bajatravelergeorge wrote:
They hijacked a narrow set of healthcare issues that affected a small percentage of the population like pre-existing conditions and caps on
coverage to justify tearing apart the current system. There |
if you look at the various estimates, it is thought that 20 to 50 percent of people have pre-existing conditions that could be denied coverage on the
pre-ACA independent market (most emplyer group plans did not prohibit pre existing conditions, after all, who would hire on with an employer that
refused to cover your condition?).
15% of the population are in the individual policy marketplace, so 20 to 50 percent of 15% pop is a good number of millions of citizens. you do the
math!
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajaboy
| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
You just can't fix stupid. |
You betcha |
in the USA, our right to be stupid is protected by the constitution and the bill of rights!
yahoo!
(p.s. i think mexico protects the rights of the stupid too!)
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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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I guess some of you need to visit an emergency room to see for yourself how many indocumentos happen to be waiting. I am assuming when I get
frustrated at the inability of emergency room patients to communicate in a timely fashion because they do not espeak Ingles that they are
indocumentos.
Many young women waiting, obviously "in a maternity way" to be seen. They will give birth to a native US citizen. Would any part of the new law
exclude these charity cases from eligibility. I have heard nothing that says they were be excluded from no-cost health care.
I can only wish Mexico had Mexicans fighting for the rights of gringos. I had to become a citizen to obtain rights and even then there are
limitations.
I can barely wait (I think) for the moment to arrive when "absorbed" Mexicans vote the gringo do-gooders out of office in favor of someone with
Mexican descent.
People are soooooooo naive about Mexicanos y Mexico.
A Lot To See And A Lot To Do
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Paula
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DavidE
I guess some of you need to visit an emergency room to see for yourself how many indocumentos happen to be waiting. I am assuming when I get
frustrated at the inability of emergency room patients to communicate in a timely fashion because they do not espeak Ingles that they are
indocumentos.
Many young women waiting, obviously "in a maternity way" to be seen. They will give birth to a native US citizen. Would any part of the new law
exclude these charity cases from eligibility. I have heard nothing that says they were be excluded from no-cost health care.
I can only wish Mexico had Mexicans fighting for the rights of gringos. I had to become a citizen to obtain rights and even then there are
limitations.
I can barely wait (I think) for the moment to arrive when "absorbed" Mexicans vote the gringo do-gooders out of office in favor of someone with
Mexican descent.
People are soooooooo naive about Mexicanos y Mexico. |
David, do you work in an emergency room, or do you visit them frequently?
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mtgoat666
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angry white man talking
| Quote: | Originally posted by DavidE
I can barely wait (I think) for the moment to arrive when "absorbed" Mexicans vote the gringo do-gooders out of office in favor of someone with
Mexican descent.
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USA citizens of mexican descent are gringos. seems you are saying you only want whites of euro descent in elected office.
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JoeJustJoe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DavidE
I guess some of you need to visit an emergency room to see for yourself how many indocumentos happen to be waiting. I am assuming when I get
frustrated at the inability of emergency room patients to communicate in a timely fashion because they do not espeak Ingles that they are
indocumentos.
Many young women waiting, obviously "in a maternity way" to be seen. They will give birth to a native US citizen. Would any part of the new law
exclude these charity cases from eligibility. I have heard nothing that says they were be excluded from no-cost health care.
I can only wish Mexico had Mexicans fighting for the rights of gringos. I had to become a citizen to obtain rights and even then there are
limitations.
I can barely wait (I think) for the moment to arrive when "absorbed" Mexicans vote the gringo do-gooders out of office in favor of someone with
Mexican descent.
People are soooooooo naive about Mexicanos y Mexico. |
David E while you're in an emergency room counting "indocumentos" do you ask to see their papers, or you just assume because they're of Latino decent,
they're here in America illegally, and are freeloading?
David why would you get frustrated if the patients speak Spanish? That sounds like you have a personal problem.
You want Mexicans fighting for the rights of Gringos in Mexico?
If I recall the Mexican border is very porous, and anybody could just walk or drive in Mexico, anytime they want. However, Mexicans can't drive and
walk into the USA side anytime they want without going through immigration red tape, and really an unfair immigration system to certain people from
certain countries.
There are of course immigration laws in Mexico that Gringos are supposed to follow if they plan on living in Mexico, like income level, but many of
those requirements are ignored, and there are a lot Americans living in Mexico, illegally, but you don't hear Mexicans complaining about that.
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oxxo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DavidE
I guess some of you need to visit an emergency room to see for yourself how many indocumentos happen to be waiting. |
I agree with you, just throw the nasty brown vermin out into the gutter and let them die there. That's what the Prince of Peace would have done. And
Merry Christmas to you too.
| Quote: | | I am assuming when I get frustrated at the inability of emergency room patients to communicate in a timely fashion because they do not espeak Ingles
that they are indocumentos. |
When I went to the emergency room in Mexico, they spoke to me in English.
| Quote: | | Many young women waiting, obviously "in a maternity way" to be seen. They will give birth to a native US citizen. Would any part of the new law
exclude these charity cases from eligibility. I have heard nothing that says they were be excluded from no-cost health care. |
You, Shirley, are not suggesting that these many young women obviously "in a maternity way" should abort their children? You favor abortion, sending
these children to a death panel? This is heavy stuff!
| Quote: | | I can only wish Mexico had Mexicans fighting for the rights of gringos. |
Aren't the Mexicans fighting to eliminate Fideicomiso requirement for Gringos? What kind of rights do you want them to fight for?
| Quote: | | I had to become a citizen to obtain rights and even then there are limitations. |
You mean you can't run for President of Mexico? !Que lastima!
| Quote: | | I can barely wait (I think) for the moment to arrive when "absorbed" Mexicans vote the gringo do-gooders out of office in favor of someone with
Mexican descent. |
You mean like the Kenyans in the US did for President and the Canadians in Texas did for Ted Cruz and the Cubans in Miami did for Marco Rubio and the
Panamanians in Arizona did for McCain and the mentally challenged did in Alaska for Para Salin'?
| Quote: | | People are soooooooo naive about Mexicanos y Mexico. |
Some people are soooooooo bigoted about Mexicanos y Mexico.
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absinvestor
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oxxo-I think we have agreed to disagree on the overall effectiveness of the ACA. However, in your last response to me you again referred to my kids
plans as junk plans. I would agree that there are some parts of the ACA that are better ie no limit vs 5million $ limit. However many of the people
that had what you call junk plans had what they wanted that they could afford. For example I have another acquaintance that received a notice that his
plan is being cancelled. He has 2 teenage children and a wife. He pays $359/mo for a plan that has a 2 million deductible. It covers some basic
preventative care and most everything else over his deductible. It has a 2500 person deductible ($5000 family.) The 2 million might not cover a long
illness but would cover a heart attack, broken leg etc. He is a plumber for a small company and his wife is a secretary for a church. They have had
the same plan for 5 years. Over the 5 years his premiums have increased from 280/mo to the current $359/mo. His policy has a guaranteed renewal
feature. Neither employer offers health insurance. The cheapest plan he can find under the ACA is 906/mo with a $5000 deductible-$10000 family. They
have never worked for a company with any retirement benefits but for the last 3 years they have scraped and been able to put $2500 each year into an
IRA. His comment to me was that he considered the ACA to be a junk plan because of a high deductible and because he can't afford it. Between his house
payment and payment on his 4 year old truck they are lucky to have enough to take the family to a night out to a movie. Granted his plan is not as
good as the ACA but he purchased the most he could afford . He is now forced to walk to work, miss house payments, try to get an additional part time
job or go without insurance. He believes that the ACA has forced him to put his family at total risk by having no health insurance. Let me reiterate
that he would love to have the additional coverage but a)he doesn't have the ability to pay the higher premium and b) he has a deductible that is
double his current deductible. Most reasonable people would not say that his policy is a junk policy.
Unfortunately he is not alone. Honestly the ACA appears to be hurting as many as it is helping.
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Bajaboy
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A Republican Plan
| Quote: | Originally posted by DaliDali
| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
dali....please put them out there for ALL TO SEE. |
I find it fascinating that my google search engine pops up a whole passle of hits on conservative health plans while others struggle or just are too
lazy to do their own inquiries.....or could it be they don't want to admit that conservatives do have proposals and want to squash the information?
And my search terms were not all that creative......it was something to do with Republican healthcare plans.
There are articles from CBS news, Bloomberg, Forbes, LA Times, Policymic and Politifact among others.
Imagine that....not ONE from Fox news....but I only looked at the first page of the google search.
Yet MSNBC has one that is a detractor....who would have known? And on the top of the page no less.
No telling what lies beyond on page 2.
For a hint, and you and others can do the rest...Doctor/legislator Tom Price R-GA.
Disclaimer:....I don't have any comments on the workings of any of those plans and my sole intent here is to point out that there are other ideas out
there, beyond what liberals can put up, and what they want you to believe...... that there are none.
[Edited on 12-17-2013 by DaliDali] |
I found a Republican Plan like DiliDali proprosed:
http://ivn.us/2013/09/27/obamacare-was-originally-proposed-b...
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oxxo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by absinvestor
For example I have another acquaintance that received a notice that his plan is being cancelled. ...........Granted his plan is not as good as the ACA
but he purchased the most he could afford . ............He believes that the ACA has forced him to put his family at total risk by having no health
insurance. Let me reiterate that he would love to have the additional coverage but a)he doesn't have the ability to pay the higher premium and b) he
has a deductible that is double his current deductible. Most reasonable people would not say that his policy is a junk policy. |
His plan is a junk plan because it doesn't include pre-existing conditions, maternity, pediatric dentistry, unlimited coverage, etc. Even you say his
plan was not as good as the ACA plan. I don't understand why he says that he now has no insurance. And if he is as destitute as you indicate, the
ACA is "means tested." He can qualify for a subsidy if he cannot afford his ACA policy. For example Faux Gnus, featured a black woman who said that
her $75 per month pre-ACA insurance was being cancelled and she was going to forced to purchase a better ACA policy at $300 per month which she
couldn't afford. Terrible isn't it? Well after her appearance on Faux Gnus she was notified by ACA that she qualified for a $250 per month subsidy.
Her net cost was now going to $50 per month for a superior plan than the $75 per month junk plan that was cancelled. She called Faux Gnus to say that
she wanted to go back on camera to correct the record. She was now a huge supporter of the ACA. Faux Gnus said they were not interested. So she
went on MSNBC and told the story. ABS you tell an interesting, compelling story, but we are not getting the whole story.
| Quote: | | Unfortunately he is not alone. Honestly the ACA appears to be hurting as many as it is helping. |
That statement is not supported by the facts I have seen. What is your source or is it just opinion?
[Edited on 12-18-2013 by oxxo]
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by lencho
| Quote: | Originally posted by oxxo
In some cases, it is possible to "buy" unearned quarters of service in a lump sum payment to Soc Sec. |
I have heard this from a couple of sources and been able to find no supporting information. This could be a life-changer for me; You
happen to know the specifics, or where to find them? |
-----------or you can work part-time at say a Library or something similar until you have accumulated the quarters. I too have never found any other
way to do it, so am also curious as to what Oxxo was talking about-------I hope he is correct.
Barry
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bajacalifornian
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Just wondering how other expats are thinking about the pending Obamacare coverage?
I agree with Barbara Bellar, Candidate for State Senate who writes:
“So, let me get this straight (this is a long sentence), we’re going to be gifted with a healthcare plan we are forced to purchase, and fined if we
don’t, which purportedly covers at least ten million more people, without adding a single new doctor, but provides for 16,000 new IRS agents, written
by a committee whose chairman says he doesn’t understand it, passed by a congress that didn’t read it, but exempted themselves from it, and signed by
a president who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn’t pay his taxes, for which we will be taxed for four years before any
benefits take effect, by a government which has already bankrupted Social Security and Medicare, all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese,
and financed by a country that’s broke. So what the blank could possibly go wrong?”
A Mexican, I enjoy humor from across the fence.
American by birth, Mexican by choice.
Signature addendum: Danish physicist — Niels Bohr — who said, “The opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth.
Jeff Petersen
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Mula
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Good one, Jeff!
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Bajajorge
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Affordable Healthcare Act, is slowly going to become unaffordable. My health insurance premium went up $25.00 per month. My wifes went up $39.00 per
month. All this since the inception of this new welfare program.
Why do Liberals insist and demand that achievers pay the way for nonachievers who are to lazy to succeed, or are just failures by their own choice?
Criminals prefer unarmed victims, dictators prefer unarmed subjects.
Why do ignorant people continue their blabbering when it only proves to others how stupid they are.
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