Dominy Falls is the future rapid created by the rubble of a destroyed Glen Canyon Dam (named after Floyd Domini, the 'father' of the Plug). That, and
hopefully the tsunami of the flood taking out Hoover, Parker, Havasu and Morelos is the only hope. We screwed the pooch, and nothing is going to
bring back the once majestic delta with millions of nesting Flamingos and one of the most beautiful riparian deltas on earth.
This piddly little 'too much, too little, too late' is just a science experiment for future studies. No way this much water can be wasted every
years, or every 10 years. The Colorado has been over-allocated of more than 200% of possible maximum yield for over 40 years now. We NEED Vegas
power, we NEED Phoenix power, not to mention the pools, fountains and golf courses... agriculture was just the start of the glut.
We used to lay on the sand bars of the once-mighty Colorado, and some of us still believe George Washington Hayduke is still alive and running a
houseboat concession............ somewhere.....
I don't have a BUCKET LIST, but I do have a F***- IT LIST a mile long!
would this water release be regular and....would this give the tortuava a chance to be once again, hopefully a very viable fishery ?
preferably, a catch and release fishery initially but i doubt it due to greed but with a major penalty if caught. HMMMMM....neutering sounds like an
excellant penalty !!!
would this water release be regular and....would this give the tortuava a chance to be once again, hopefully a very viable fishery ?
preferably, a catch and release fishery initially but i doubt it due to greed but with a major penalty if caught. HMMMMM....neutering sounds like an
excellant penalty !!!
BIEN SALUD, DA RAT
No, Rat, this is a temporary thing and cannot be repeated very often as the legal water commitments upstream max. out all available water in the
Colorado system except in extremely wet years. The whole intent, as I understand it, of this "surge" project is an experiment to see what long-term
effect this has on the Delta ecosystem, if any. We already know that the short-term effects are dramatic, but what happens long-term as a result of
these occasional "surges" is not fully known at this time.
One of the most positive results of these surges is to "flush out" the delta, and get rid of accumulated polutants and excessive vegetation and at
least partially open up the channels to the sea. The dream of a restored wild-river is not going to ever happen, in my opinion, and probably never
should due to the size of the Colorado River drainage area, and the enormous floods associated with it in the "old days".
Originally posted by bajabuddha
Dominy Falls is the future rapid created by the rubble of a destroyed Glen Canyon Dam (named after Floyd Domini, the 'father' of the Plug). That, and
hopefully the tsunami of the flood taking out Hoover, Parker, Havasu and Morelos is the only hope. We screwed the pooch, and nothing is going to
bring back the once majestic delta with millions of nesting Flamingos and one of the most beautiful riparian deltas on earth.
This piddly little 'too much, too little, too late' is just a science experiment for future studies. No way this much water can be wasted every
years, or every 10 years. The Colorado has been over-allocated of more than 200% of possible maximum yield for over 40 years now. We NEED Vegas
power, we NEED Phoenix power, not to mention the pools, fountains and golf courses... agriculture was just the start of the glut.
We used to lay on the sand bars of the once-mighty Colorado, and some of us still believe George Washington Hayduke is still alive and running a
houseboat concession............ somewhere.....
Never heard of Flamingos in the Colorado Delta.
Wonder if putting a shipping canal into the Salton Sea (from the SOC) could help the Delta as a byproduct in any way. Salton Sea is at the do or die
stage now...would give the economy/wildlife a lift to reinvigorate it with fresh seawater.
Originally posted by bajabuddha
Dominy Falls is the future rapid created by the rubble of a destroyed Glen Canyon Dam (named after Floyd Domini, the 'father' of the Plug). That, and
hopefully the tsunami of the flood taking out Hoover, Parker, Havasu and Morelos is the only hope. We screwed the pooch, and nothing is going to
bring back the once majestic delta with millions of nesting Flamingos and one of the most beautiful riparian deltas on earth.
This piddly little 'too much, too little, too late' is just a science experiment for future studies. No way this much water can be wasted every
years, or every 10 years. The Colorado has been over-allocated of more than 200% of possible maximum yield for over 40 years now. We NEED Vegas
power, we NEED Phoenix power, not to mention the pools, fountains and golf courses... agriculture was just the start of the glut.
We used to lay on the sand bars of the once-mighty Colorado, and some of us still believe George Washington Hayduke is still alive and running a
houseboat concession............ somewhere.....
The whole Colorado system of dams is operating on borrowed
time, eventually the pools will fill with silt rendering them useless and perhaps causing the dams to collapse.
Originally posted by David K
Does the Gila River flow... or does Arizona consume all its water before it reaches the Colorado?
I have somewhere among my books a good history of the Gila (written in the '90s I think), and if I remember correctly the waters from the Salt (a
tributary of the Gila) and the Gila dry up before the Gila reaches the Colorado...except during the rainy season when both rivers support boating.
I am not that familiar with the Gila River system, David, especially now. Tho it has a large drainage, the average rainfall there is not that
dramatic, and the Gila even historically was not that vibrant a system. It does flood occasionally, and causes some havoc among the fields east of
Yuma. The Gila is famous for having most of it's normal "flow" under the sands, so there is a lot more water there than appears on the surface.
Now, most (if not all) of the water is sucked up for Ag long before it reaches the Colorado just north of Yuma, as I understand it.
My knowledge here is very antiquated, tho, so things may have changed since I was current on the subject of the Gila River.
The Gila River is completely diverted and used up before it even reaches Phoenix area. There is an Indian Reservation with a small reservoir on it
that barely is more than a mud puddle, then dry bed. Downstream there is a containment dam at Gila Bend Az (apt name) just before the Gila entered
the Colorado. In the early 90's there was a rain event that flooded the lower Gila beyond upper containment standards, the water hit the containment
dam and partially breached it, flooding about 30,000 fps into the Colorado for a week or two. I was in San Luis R.C. as it came through, it was
magical to see the Mother wild and free for one brief moment in time; the Mexicano bridge over the river was lined on both sides by locals gazing and
staring at it. Even had some sand-waves rolling... hard to believe the earliest Spaniards sailed that river all the way to present-day Las Vegas !!
This flush (as mentioned above) will flush all the accumulated pollutants and nasty sediments of 100 years of neglect into the already-ruined
northernmost reaches of the Sea of Cortez. As has been mentioned several times, this is just the start of a long-term study on man's futility of
trying to lasso Godzilla with kite string. The 'good-ol'-days' are gone, tamarisk is here to stay, hasn't been a flamingo in over half a century. We
dood it, we're still doing it, and some think and profess we still aren't.
George, we're with you, buddy. Hope you and Bonnie (Abzug) are doing well.
Oh, for better advanced reading try a book called "Glen Canyon'' by Steve Hannon. It's a quazi-Monkeywrench Gang type novel, with graphic and factual
details of a) what really did occur in '83 and '84 in the bowels of Glen Canyon Dam and how disaster was even closer than the Cuban Missile Crisis,
and b) what could possibly happen if a limited nuclear device was ever utilized......... good read since we lost Ed Abbey.
bb.
I don't have a BUCKET LIST, but I do have a F***- IT LIST a mile long!
George, we're with you, buddy. Hope you and Bonnie (Abzug) are doing well.
Oh, for better advanced reading try a book called "Glen Canyon'' by Steve Hannon. It's a quazi-Monkeywrench Gang type novel, with graphic and factual
details of a) what really did occur in '83 and '84 in the bowels of Glen Canyon Dam and how disaster was even closer than the Cuban Missile Crisis,
and b) what could possibly happen if a limited nuclear device was ever utilized......... good read since we lost Ed Abbey.
bb.
I'll check that read out, and if you haven't read Emerald Mile you might enjoy that one. Not fiction.
Folks and relatives are from AZ ... water has always been REALLY big there
Goldwater fought for some of the "river water" for a very long time ... as did many others ... it is in short supply .. most of the time
And the "river" hasn't been running "free" for a while ... as is true for many other rivers within the United States
Did not support "Bush's" call on the rivers in the Northwest .... as it related to dam's and the Salmon run's .... and we are seeing the results at
this time
Suppose it would be too much to consider these events linked to the "human population" ... HUH
Feel sorry for those at the "end" of the pipeline called the Colorado River ... there is only so much ... just the way it works, even with planning
and totally agree with the amount of toxic substances and/or their concentrations being worse ... as the amount of H20 is removed from the "solution"
we call potable water today .. good luck with that too
Other than that, nice day here is SoCal .. spring is here for sure .. very mild winter again with little rain fall ... but, we did have a quake last
night ... not much to write home about ... very "soft" one IMHO ... no sharp movement, very smooth roll for a short period
David--nice video! If you are driving on Hwy 86 along the Salton Sea you can see the high water marks still etched into the rock on the
hills----there was a lot of water there at one time to be filled that high.
"If it were lush and rich, one could understand the pull, but it is fierce and hostile and sullen.
The stone mountains pile up to the sky and there is little fresh water. But we know we must go back
if we live, and we don't know why." - Steinbeck, Log from the Sea of Cortez
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