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Kgryfon
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West Coast Kelp free from ***ushima radiation
http://www.science20.com/news_articles/kelp_watch_2014_no_ra...
They've tested samples off the Pacific Coast from Alaska to Baja and have found no indication of radiation from ***ushima in any samples. Good news!
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Skipjack Joe
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Oh good. I can get off my kelp-free diet.
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I was planning on glow in the dark urchins.....
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I believe kelp extract, for lack of the proper term, is found in several
foods, among other things. I think ice cream being one.
Off San Onofre, there was at times a kelp cutting ship
which, like a lawn mower, would cut the top few feet
off kelp beds
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David K
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You do realize that the cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki rebuilt in the same place...
Deadly Radiation isn't forever... as popular belief thinks. 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
You do realize that the cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki rebuilt in the same place...
Deadly Radiation isn't forever... as popular belief thinks.
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Dude,
That is the absolute most stupid and irresponsible post you have ever made. You need to move to a high radiation zone and join the folks in their
outcome.
Your head is so far up your ass that I won't ever try to communicate with it again.....the science of radiation exposure is crystal clear how
uninformed and stupid your statement is:
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Every survivor of Hiroshima and Nagasaki has a similar story. But while their individual testimonies are moving, perhaps the most important tale told
by these men and women -- more than 40 percent of the survivors remain alive -- has been collective. It is how they have lived, and how they die. For
more than six decades, their medical histories have provided the authoritative source for how scientists understand the effects of radiation on the
human body. "These radiation standards are accepted worldwide," said George Kerr, a consultant and health physicist, formerly of the Department of
Energy's Oak Ridge National Laboratory. "They're kind of the Rosetta Stone." The lessons from this cohort have never been more visible, as another
radiation crisis has gripped Japan. With few exceptions, each invocation of the possible cancer risk -- or lack of risk -- poised by the failed
reactors at the ***ushima Daiichi nuclear plant has its origins in the lives of atomic bomb survivors. A disaster caused by man has resulted in one of
the longest and largest health studies ever conducted, led by Japan's Radiation Effects Research Foundation (RERF). Similar efforts could follow for
***ushima. The science, it seems, has come home to roost.
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Everbody\'s preachin\' at me that we all wanna git to heaven, trouble is, nobody wants to die to git there.-BB King
Reality is what does not go away when you stop believing in it. -Philip K Dick
Nothing is worse than active ignorance. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe(1749-1832, German writer, artist and politician)
When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I\'ve never tried before. - Mae West
Experience is what keeps a man who makes the same mistake twice from admitting it the third time around.
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sweetwater
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
You do realize that the cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki rebuilt in the same place...
Deadly Radiation isn't forever... as popular belief thinks.
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Dude,
That is the absolute most stupid and irresponsible post you have ever made. You need to move to a high radiation zone and join the folks in their
outcome.
Your head is so far up your burro that I won't ever try to communicate with it again.....the science of radiation exposure is crystal clear how
uninformed and stupid your statement is:
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Every survivor of Hiroshima and Nagasaki has a similar story. But while their individual testimonies are moving, perhaps the most important tale told
by these men and women -- more than 40 percent of the survivors remain alive -- has been collective. It is how they have lived, and how they die. For
more than six decades, their medical histories have provided the authoritative source for how scientists understand the effects of radiation on the
human body. "These radiation standards are accepted worldwide," said George Kerr, a consultant and health physicist, formerly of the Department of
Energy's Oak Ridge National Laboratory. "They're kind of the Rosetta Stone." The lessons from this cohort have never been more visible, as another
radiation crisis has gripped Japan. With few exceptions, each invocation of the possible cancer risk -- or lack of risk -- poised by the failed
reactors at the ***ushima Daiichi nuclear plant has its origins in the lives of atomic bomb survivors. A disaster caused by man has resulted in one of
the longest and largest health studies ever conducted, led by Japan's Radiation Effects Research Foundation (RERF). Similar efforts could follow for
***ushima. The science, it seems, has come home to roost.
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Sweetwater--------I see nothing in that "quote" you provide that conflicts with what David K said. WHAT are you talking about?
Barry
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Sweetwater
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Deadly radiation is exactly that....forever.....and the folks that survived and live in nuclear ruins continue to prove it. Go read the RERF studies
and make a joke about it.
Stupid is as stupid does, popular belief is not science and reading is fundamental. Are your eyes open yet?
Everbody\'s preachin\' at me that we all wanna git to heaven, trouble is, nobody wants to die to git there.-BB King
Reality is what does not go away when you stop believing in it. -Philip K Dick
Nothing is worse than active ignorance. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe(1749-1832, German writer, artist and politician)
When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I\'ve never tried before. - Mae West
Experience is what keeps a man who makes the same mistake twice from admitting it the third time around.
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Sweetwater
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Anyone who truly has an interest in radiation facts, particularly facts generated by real humans due to the nuclear exposures in Japan should perhaps
start here: http://www.rerf.jp/radefx/index_e.html
I suggest FAQS to begin to become informed. Otherwise, stupid statements will be labelled as stupid statements, particularly if they are nothing but
uninformed opinions with absolutely no basis in reality or fact.
If that's too much to handle, then eso si que es.....
Everbody\'s preachin\' at me that we all wanna git to heaven, trouble is, nobody wants to die to git there.-BB King
Reality is what does not go away when you stop believing in it. -Philip K Dick
Nothing is worse than active ignorance. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe(1749-1832, German writer, artist and politician)
When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I\'ve never tried before. - Mae West
Experience is what keeps a man who makes the same mistake twice from admitting it the third time around.
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sweetwater
Deadly radiation is exactly that....forever.....and the folks that survived and live in nuclear ruins continue to prove it. Go read the RERF studies
and make a joke about it.
Stupid is as stupid does, popular belief is not science and reading is fundamental. Are your eyes open yet? |
A "joke"???? Again, what in the world are you talking about?
Now that you have said it, I WILL "go and read the RERF studies", if I can find them-------I am not familiar with "RERF", or what that stands for.
Your annoying reference to "stupid", and your sarcasm and lack of respect for others makes you somebody that I have no interest in, and reveals you as
inconsequential and irrelevant in my book.
Barry
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On the upside of "radioactive" contamination:
"But their most recent findings, published last month, showed something new. Some bird species, they reported in the journal Functional Ecology,
appear to have adapted to the radioactive environment by producing higher levels of protective antioxidants, with correspondingly less genetic damage.
For these birds, Dr. Mousseau said, chronic exposure to radiation appears to be a kind of “unnatural selection” driving evolutionary change."
Not sure of the exact direction the evolutionary change will take one ... but, appears it will go some place
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/06/science/nature-adapts-to-c...
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sweetwater
Anyone who truly has an interest in radiation facts, particularly facts generated by real humans due to the nuclear exposures in Japan should perhaps
start here: http://www.rerf.jp/radefx/index_e.html
I suggest FAQS to begin to become informed. Otherwise, stupid statements will be labelled as stupid statements, particularly if they are nothing but
uninformed opinions with absolutely no basis in reality or fact.
If that's too much to handle, then eso si que es..... |
"Thanks for the link to RERF. I did some quick reading. I suggest you review the RERF info contained in this LINK:
http://www.rerf.jp/news/pdf/residualrad_ps_e.pdf
Barry
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
You do realize that the cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki rebuilt in the same place...
Deadly Radiation isn't forever... as popular belief thinks.
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Sweetwater, I am stating obvious facts otherwise those blasted cities wouldn't be there after 1945.... right?
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Skipjack Joe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sweetwater
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
You do realize that the cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki rebuilt in the same place...
Deadly Radiation isn't forever... as popular belief thinks.
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Dude,
That is the absolute most stupid and irresponsible post you have ever made.
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Gee, I'm not sure about that. There were many statements in the past that would provide strong competition.
But yes, it ranks way up there. Perhaps in the top 10.
I had the same reaction to that statement, but knowing the source, I just let it go. It's not the first absurdity, nor will it be the last.
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
| Quote: | Originally posted by Sweetwater
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
You do realize that the cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki rebuilt in the same place...
Deadly Radiation isn't forever... as popular belief thinks.
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Dude,
That is the absolute most stupid and irresponsible post you have ever made.
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Gee, I'm not sure about that. There were many statements in the past that would provide strong competition.
But yes, it ranks way up there. Perhaps in the top 10.
I had the same reaction to that statement, but knowing the source, I just let it go. It's not the first absurdity, nor will it be the last.
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I see I need to make another referral--------you might want to read this (thanks to Sweetwater), SkipJack------it is truly enlightening. Seems the
"science" is just not set in stone yet, is what I get from it. Lots of if's, and's, and but's!
http://www.rerf.jp/news/pdf/residualrad_ps_e.pdf
I understand, just as David K says, that the two Japanese cities the studies are mostly done on are very much alive, which is what David K said as I
interpret it. NoBody, that I am aware of, doubts that initial exposure to high radiation at the time of the bombings, and that which followed for a
while, was very life-threatening and deadly, but it was not nearly as bad as was anticipated. The same applies to Bikini Atoll, tho it is still
declared off-limits to the Natives, as I understand it.
Barry
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Would appear to depend to a large degree, on the length of exposure and "dose", and would be site specific, as no one site is exactly the same
"Chernobyl today
The region today is widely known as one of the world's most unique wildlife sanctuaries. Thriving populations of wolves, deer, lynx, beaver, eagles,
boar, elk, bears and other animals have been documented in the dense woodlands that now surround the silent plant. Only a handful of radiation
effects, such as stunted trees growing in the zone of highest radiation and animals with high levels of cesium-137 in their bodies, are known to
occur. [Infographic: Chernobyl Nuclear Disaster 25 Years Later]
But that's not to suggest that the area has returned to normal, or will at any point in the near future. Because of the long-lived radiation in the
region surrounding the former Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant, the area won't be safe for human habitation for at least 20,000 years.
Which is the bottom line ... so to speak
http://www.livescience.com/39961-chernobyl.html
Will say, more knowledge can only help in the evaluation of risk to life as we know it
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Sweetwater
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
| Quote: | Originally posted by Sweetwater
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
You do realize that the cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki rebuilt in the same place...
Deadly Radiation isn't forever... as popular belief thinks.
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Dude,
That is the absolute most stupid and irresponsible post you have ever made.
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Gee, I'm not sure about that. There were many statements in the past that would provide strong competition.
But yes, it ranks way up there. Perhaps in the top 10.
I had the same reaction to that statement, but knowing the source, I just let it go. It's not the first absurdity, nor will it be the last.
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I have mostly refrained from the blatant ignorance exhibited, particularly regarding radiation and ***ashima so I'm on that page with you. And
selective reading skills will allow any position to be supported so I see that attempt already. Personally, I'll vote with my feet and not respond to
any more inane posts.......thanks, good advice.
And for the ongoing blind, it only takes biologic uptake of minimal Cesium or Strontium in particular to wreck a personal biosphere.....it doesn't
take much solar radiation either.....please take off all clothing and go sit in the sun........for a long time......and tell me if there are any
effects.....
Everbody\'s preachin\' at me that we all wanna git to heaven, trouble is, nobody wants to die to git there.-BB King
Reality is what does not go away when you stop believing in it. -Philip K Dick
Nothing is worse than active ignorance. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe(1749-1832, German writer, artist and politician)
When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I\'ve never tried before. - Mae West
Experience is what keeps a man who makes the same mistake twice from admitting it the third time around.
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sweetwater
| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
| Quote: | Originally posted by Sweetwater
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
You do realize that the cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki rebuilt in the same place...
Deadly Radiation isn't forever... as popular belief thinks.
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Dude,
That is the absolute most stupid and irresponsible post you have ever made.
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Gee, I'm not sure about that. There were many statements in the past that would provide strong competition.
But yes, it ranks way up there. Perhaps in the top 10.
I had the same reaction to that statement, but knowing the source, I just let it go. It's not the first absurdity, nor will it be the last.
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I have mostly refrained from the blatant ignorance exhibited, particularly regarding radiation and ***ashima so I'm on that page with you. And
selective reading skills will allow any position to be supported so I see that attempt already. Personally, I'll vote with my feet and not respond to
any more inane posts.......thanks, good advice.
And for the ongoing blind, it only takes biologic uptake of minimal Cesium or Strontium in particular to wreck a personal biosphere.....it doesn't
take much solar radiation either.....please take off all clothing and go sit in the sun........for a long time......and tell me if there are any
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Aside for the random nasty referrals to "blatant ignorance" and "ongoing blind", I agree with what you say here, which has little to do with what
David K was referring too.
I, when young, worked in the desert sun for 8 hours a day, day in and day out, wearing no shirt. I turned brown. I am paying for it now, however.
I realize that is only partially satisfying your request to strip-nude as the Foreman would not tolerate no-clothes, but everybody knows what you, and
I, mean, I think. Radiation, of all types, can be dangerous when taken to the extreme.
We appear to be talking past each other, which is painfully normal these days.
Lets go back to the original proposition which is science in action--------there is little to no radiation showing up in North American off-shore kelp
beds, apparently. Who knows if that will last. That "scientific fact" (so far) is a good thing, but it does not surprise me, or probably David K,
tho I should not speak for him. There is still a lot of work to do, as is almost always the case with most things involving "science". I think that
was the ONLY point being made, until you (and others) expanded it, and decided to insult some folks, giving knee-jerk reactions in an elitist fashion
IMO. I could be wrong (about your intentions) of course.
Personally, I will be very surprised if the Fuji problem will effect us significantly here in North America, but it surely could. I prefer to wait and
see what develops rather than holler "the sky is falling", so to speak. Know what I mean? (tho I know you "will not respond" because you said so.)
I also believe that the projection that "Chernobyl" will take "20K years" to be safe for human habitation is a huge exaggeration based on the
authorities and science being overly cautious for obvious reasons. But what do I know?
In the mean time I will worry more about an Asteroid hitting earth, which we KNOW scientifically beyond a shadow of a doubt will happen------not quite
sure when, though. 
Life on Earth is sure an adventure, eh?
Barry
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Stupidity is not seeing what is there now, and those two atom-bombed cities in Japan are alive and well today. That is ALL I was saying...
The need for drama and insulting different viewpoints by one side of political ideology is very disappointing when we could exchange ideas like
adults.
Nobody says nuclear radiation is healthy. The thread was posted saying seaweed that may have been highly radioactive is not. I know some of you want
doom and gloom, but the truth is Nature takes care of the earth and the radiation is dealt with.
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Seems to me there is a lot of science discussed with the exception of one person who admits to discussing political ideology.
"The need for drama and insulting different viewpoints by one side of political ideology is very disappointing when we could exchange ideas like
adults."
You said it right Sweetwater "Stupid is as stupid does." and that is not likely to change in the near future....maybe a little radiation would
help.
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