The children are fleeing their homes because it's not safe in El Salvador, etc.
I'm having trouble with this as well. What we're seeing is a mass exodus worthy of penguins. This has been orchestrated as well as supported by
Mexico, and the migrants are going toward a promised reward without stopping on the way to find refuge.
There would have to be social chaos equal to the bombing of Beirut to cause a bail-out of this magnitude, but we hear and see nothing other than the
seemingly rehearsed claims of the migrants.
These REFUGEE kids have the right to appear in court, so give them their due process, sheesh! 20 have been released now to report to court in Texas.
Yayyy!
Originally posted by BajaLuna
These REFUGEE kids have the right to appear in court, so give them their due process, sheesh! 20 have been released now to report to court in Texas.
Yayyy!
The children are fleeing their homes because it's not safe in El Salvador, etc.
I'm having trouble with this as well. What we're seeing is a mass exodus worthy of penguins. This has been orchestrated as well as supported by
Mexico, and the migrants are going toward a promised reward without stopping on the way to find refuge.
There would have to be social chaos equal to the bombing of Beirut to cause a bail-out of this magnitude, but we hear and see nothing other than the
seemingly rehearsed claims of the migrants.
Could be. But the high murder rates in these countries point to an extremely dangerous climate.
I've watched interviews of several of the children where they explained the danger. They seemed genuine to me......but??
Mexico is complicit. Kicking the can down the railroad tracks.
Could be. But the high murder rates in these countries point to an extremely dangerous climate.
Where do you get these damning numbers? Who's counting? From the alarming sound of things, a body count is out of the question.
If these Banana Republics are so chaotic, why isn't the good for nothing UN with their BS children's fund stepping in to mediate the blood-bath?
Why does all this sheit end up at our doorstep?
Maybe our escalating minimum wage has something to do with it...wadda you think?
Originally posted by David K
If the USA 'must' help, then why not make THEIR country better instead of leaving it to come here???
If they want our style of government or freedom (free enterprise) then change their country to make it more like ours instead of abandoning it.
Mexico says no to its neighbors, yet allows them to conduit through to the USA. Is that because we have SUCKER written on our border?
What is a border anyway? Sure not one to force people through a legal crossing here. The Border Patrol, pulled away from the border to allow this
invasion, is that right?
Does any other country welcome illegal border crossers and pay to house them after they violate our border. Then try to figure out how they can stay
here... and then bring their parents north??? What suckers we are!!
Costa Rica isn't losing their population. So, what is wrong with Honduras and Guatemala that they cannot adopt the same freedoms as their neighbor and
keep their future (children) home?
Make those countries be responsible to their people and not give them a refuge so the problem at their home remains unsolved.
1. If you ever lived in Central America and or studied their history, you would know that the history for each country is very different and they are
very different today. And please, trying to force our government style on any other country is a very naive jingoistic statement.
2. Jordan is a very poor nation and they are accepting refugees everyday and doing all they can to take care of them.
3. These children are REFUGEES---and that is different.
4. So to punish these countries for not getting their acts together after the meddling by the US really left them in a mess, you want to send refugee
children back to certain violence and possibly death.
5. I am guessing you would have also pushed to reject the St. Louis when it arrived at the shores of the US?
The violence was terrible when we lived in Honduras and it is worse now. It is a shame that we are not taught the history of these Central American
countries. And comparing Costa Rica to Honduras is a real apples and orange comparison. VERY different
From that bastion of left wing thinking, the Wall Street Journal...
WHAT REALLY DROVE THE CHILDREN NORTH
By Mary Anastasia O'Grady | The Wall Street Journal
Tuesday, July 29, 2014 at 1:00 pm
In a nation where it is not uncommon to hear the other side of the Rio Grande referred to as “South America,” it is amusing to observe the recent wave
of self-anointed experts in the U.S. opining authoritatively on the causes of child migration from Central America.
Some of these are talking heads of conservative punditry who seem to know zip about the region and show no interest in learning. They wing it,
presumably because they believe their viewers and listeners will never know the truth and don’t care. What matters is proving that the large number of
unaccompanied minors piling up at the border is President Barack Obama’s fault for somehow signaling that they would not be turned back. The origins
of the problem are deemed unimportant, and the fate of the children gets even less attention.
Thank heaven for four-star Marine Corps Gen. John Kelly, who knows something about war and failed states and now heads the U.S. military’s Southern
Command, which keeps an eye on the region. He has spent time studying the issue and is speaking up. Conservatives might not like his conclusions, in
which the U.S. bears significant responsibility, but it is hard to accuse a four-star of a “blame America first” attitude.
To make the “Obama did it” hypothesis work, it is necessary to defeat the claim that the migrants are fleeing intolerable violence. This has given
rise to the oft-repeated line that “those countries” have always been very violent.
That is patently untrue. Central America is significantly more dangerous than it was before it became a magnet for rich, powerful drug capos. Back in
the early 1990s, drugs from South America flowed through the Caribbean to the U.S. But when a U.S. interdiction strategy in the Caribbean raised
costs, trafficking shifted to land routes up the Central American isthmus and through Mexico. With Mexican President Felipe Calderón’s war on the
cartels, launched in 2007, the underworld gradually slithered toward the poorer, weaker neighboring countries. Venezuela, under Hugo Chávez, began
facilitating the movement of cocaine from producing countries in the Andes to the U.S., also via Central America.
In a July 8 essay in the Military Times headlined “Central America Drug War a Dire Threat to U.S. National Security,” Gen. Kelly explained that he has
spent 19 months “observing the transnational organized crime networks” in the region. His conclusion: “Drug cartels and associated street gang
activity in Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala, which respectively have the world’s number one, four and five highest homicide rates, have left
near-broken societies in their wake.” He noted that while he works on this problem throughout the region, these three countries, also known as the
Northern Triangle, are “far and away the worst off.”
With a homicide rate of 90 per 100,000 in Honduras and 40 per 100,000 in Guatemala, life in the region is decidedly rougher than “declared combat
zones” like Afghanistan and the Democratic Republic of Congo, where the general says the rate is 28 per 100,000.
How did the region become a killing field? His diagnosis is that big profits from the illicit drug trade have been used to corrupt public institutions
in these fragile democracies, thereby destroying the rule of law. In a “culture of impunity,” the state loses its legitimacy and sovereignty is
undermined. Criminals have the financial power to overwhelm the law “due to the insatiable U.S. demand for drugs, particularly cocaine, heroin and now
methamphetamines, all produced in Latin America and smuggled into the U.S.”
Gen. Kelly agreed that not all violence in the region is linked to the drug trade with the U.S., but “perhaps 80% of it is.” That’s because of the
insidiousness of the vast resources of kingpins. It’s “the malignant effects of immense drug trafficking through these non-consumer nations that is
responsible for accelerating the breakdown in their national institutions . . . and eventually their entire society as evidenced today by the flow of
children north and out of the conflictive transit zone.”
That migrant children are drawn to the U.S. when they decide to flee might very well have to do with the fact that they believe they will be able to
stay because of an asylum law for children passed in 2008 during the presidency of George W. Bush. But refugees from the Northern Triangle are seeking
other havens as well. Marc Rosenblum of the Migration Policy Institute in Washington reports that, from 2008 to 2013, Honduran, Guatemalan and
Salvadoran applications for asylum in neighboring countries — mostly Mexico and Costa Rica — are up 712 percent.
Gen. Kelly wrote that the children are “a leading indicator of the negative second- and third-order impacts on our national interests.” Whether the
problem can be solved by working harder to bottle up supply, as the general suggested, or requires rethinking prohibition, this crisis was born of
American self-indulgence. Solving it starts with taking responsibility for the demand for drugs that fuels criminality.
Mary Anastasia O’Grady is a columnist with the Wall Street Journal, where this appeared July 21.
I'm getting sick of this conversation. All I know for sure is that charity is a wonderful thing. It's comes from the deepest part of the heart, but
when charitable giving is forced upon people, it just becomes another form of tax.
Originally posted by DENNIS
I'm getting sick of this conversation. All I know for sure is that charity is a wonderful thing. It's comes from the deepest part of the heart, but
when charitable giving is forced upon people, it just becomes another form of tax.
Pardon me if I find that bothersome.
You've made your point.
Here's a question.
The 3.7 billion Obama has requested amounts to one tenth of one percent of the 2013 US budget (3.8 trillion).
I don't have any idea if it's too much or not. Putting a price on "altruism' is an emotional judgment which I wouldn't be fool enough to make
here...or anywhere else people are fishing for argument ammo.
What I do know is the precedent it sets is way over the edge.
"If it were lush and rich, one could understand the pull, but it is fierce and hostile and sullen.
The stone mountains pile up to the sky and there is little fresh water. But we know we must go back
if we live, and we don't know why." - Steinbeck, Log from the Sea of Cortez
"People don't care how much you know, until they know how much you care." - Theodore Roosevelt
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