chivatojoe
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Can anybody stop the madness??
Please see attached a Facebook post from a good and consciousness Mexican fisherman who tries to make a living sport fishing in the Mulege area. I
have been with him many times and helped him clean up trash on isolated beaches littered by ignorant visitors?? We have come up on illegal long lines
and tried to free any still alive turtles and then disabled the lines... If any one can open the attached Facebook post and get it to an
authoritative agency that might be able to apply some pressure or enforcement on the criminals disseminating the sea like in the Sea of Cortez it
would be a giant step to help preserve the treasures of the area.
Maybe Social Media can make a difference.....??
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1020195044635329... :no
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BajaGringo
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Can't see anything with that link???
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chivatojoe
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I'm working on it... Hopefully I can make it work. It shows my friend releasing turtles hooked on long line hooks.. some were dead while other were
released alive... stand by for the vid...
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shari
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you or your friend can put in a denuncia to the fisheries department through this link....
http://sidepi.conapesca.gob.mx:8080/PescaIlegal.jsp
or write this guy
Lic. Marco Antonio Muratalla Olivas
Subdirector de la Subdelegación de Pesca
Calle Agricultura s/n entre México Y Durango
Col. Emiliano Zapata, C.P. 23070
La Paz, Baja California Sur.
Tel. 01 (612) 123-58-67
Ext. 72230
marco.muratalla@conapesca.gob.mx
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bajabuddha
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In answer to the original question, unfortunately the answer is "NO". However I do believe we can slow it down occasionally by turning in the Bad
Guys whenever and wherever possible. Years ago Conapesca had a phone # to call. The person who answered (illegal fishing in Bahia Concepcion) said,
"Gracias, but we don't have anyone right now who can go there". Whaddayagonnado?
You (we all) still have to try though. There's always someone in each area that's the 'OG' of the area who will know who to talk to.
('OG' = 'Old Gomer') 
I don't have a BUCKET LIST, but I do have a F***- IT LIST a mile long!
86 - 45*
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Lee
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Same problems at San Pedrito. From the Point on the North end all the way to the South end. First, pangas come around banging on the sides of
their boats, dropping their nets going in a circle. One boat sounds like major construction going on, more boats and it's like thunder. Then
they string nets for large distances.
Complained about this to Uncle Tom one day and he said the fishermen had to make a living. Guess I'm being selfish wanting the Mexicans to stop
fishing this way. I've given up caring.
One day people will reminisce about fish that are no more.
US Marines: providing enemies of America an opportunity to die for their country since 1775.
What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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Russ
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So Sad.................................rant
Bahia Concepcion where life starts...given a chance!
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redhilltown
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I have no resources as to where to turn but really appreciate your post and willingness to help. Just a tad bothered by the word "visitors"...for the
most part the rape of the Cortez is not by "visitors" but is home grown...unless you mean visitors from another area. Either way I will watch the
thread and do what I can.
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chivatojoe
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Yes I was being kind by using the word visitors. You would have to think that the schools or families would teach their offspring to be more
considerate of their surroundings ? I believe even the primitive inhabitants used to move out of camp to defecate...even if it was for the purpose of
a "second harvest". Maybe the local think a pristine area just doesn't look right unless strune with trash? Maybe it all needs to start with behavior
programs in the schools ( or local business leaders )... Weekend trash / recycle contests to see which school can gather the most rubbish? They have
to see that if they keep taking and don't give back or at least protect what they have someday it will be gone !! I know that as a "visitor" even
though I own a home their I go out of my way to pick up trash... even if ..now the excepted way to recycle aluminum cans is to throw them out the
window
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weebray
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A few years ago I witnessed some pangeros "driving" fish into their gill nets. It was near the fish camp on Espiritu Santo so I asked them there why
this was going on endangering the future of fishing in the area. There answer was telling: "They are from the mainland, they come a long way to fill
their boats. We went to them and pleaded for them to stop decimating the resource. They answered - "get out of here or we will kill you.""
Every beautiful beach in the world needs a few condo towers - NOT.
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Cardon Man
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Let's face it... no one that has any real power to stop the rape of Baja waters gives a crap. That is to say, they are probably profiting from it one
way or the other. And there really isn't an organized voice from sportfishing interests to mobilize a grass roots movement either. It seems sport
fishing operators have too much to lose and won't really draw attention to the dire state of the fishery.
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Pescador
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Things are rapidly changing in this area. Alejandro is one of the people who is out there every day and sees a lot of this stuff. I have shared the
video with Chuey Dominguez who is the enforcement officer for PESCA in our area. PESCA has put quite a bit of money into enforcement and they will
confiscate the boat and motor of people who they catch doing this type of thing.
We have an island at the south end of San Marcos where the fishermen have come in, landed, cleaned the turtles, leaving the shells there, and then
bringing in only the meat in coolers which was then sold. Since Chuey went to work, I see almost no shells. Also none of the local buyers in San
Bruno, which is where Chuey lives, will buy shark or dorado anymore.
Chuey's number is 615-104-7498 and you can also follow him on Facebook at SEPESCA-FONMAR Mulege
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