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U.S. border patrol shoots unarmed Mexican teen in the back from across border fence
http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/jose-antonio-elena-rodrig...
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This was two years ago....and no resolution to the murder.
Don't believe everything you think....
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Ceeesco...you're grave digging. There are registered Nomads who were born since this happened.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Ceeesco...you're grave digging. There are registered Nomads who were born since this happened. |
Dennis, it's still happening. Do you recall recently the two deaths at San Ysidro and one back-shot in El Paso that were not adjudicated because the
victims died in another country.
We had a thread on that.
This information was published today as it is being questioned why the relatives of the dead kid have had NO information from anyone about the death
of their loved one, after all this time.
I would certainly be questioning also if it were my family.
This is NOT grave digging. It's information regarding the policies of the CBP and ICE not putting out information for closure.
We have all been harassed and harangued at the border and at internal checkpoints, this is but another example of the lack of consideration of our
border authorities and should be known by every Nomad crossing or stopped by these ....
Ancient history my burro. This crap is going on and on with more violence and incidents reported daily. Many on this forum. As persons who are
cohesive and travel between these two countries with regularity it is vital for us to know and understand how out of control these situations can get,
and, if we were not such a divisive group we could have some influence as a group in toto with our elected representatives to get these monsters to
act humanly. It would be beneficial to all.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cisco
We have all been harassed and harangued at the border and at internal checkpoints, this is but another example of the lack of consideration of our
border authorities and should be known by every Nomad crossing or stopped by these ....
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They are hand-puppets for Homeland Security who evidently sees value in an armed, rogue agency. That's what scares me.
I know it's still happening, but crying about CBP is just peeing in the wind.
"YOU CAN'T LITTER ALUMINUM"
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maybe this will even things out a bit?
http://news.yahoo.com/illegal-immigrants-kill-border-patrol-...
Illegal Immigrants Kill Border Patrol Agent, Family And Media Denied Arraignment Access
The sheriff in Willacy County, Texas, refused access to media personnel and the family of a murdered border patrol agent at the suspects’ arraignment,
according to The Monitor.
The arraignment, held inside the jail where the suspects are currently in custody, was completely off limits ”for security reasons.” Sheriff Larry
Spence told The Monitor he received anonymous calls for details about the arraignment — like time and date — and feared a jailbreak.
Gustavo Tijernia, 30, and Ismael Hernandez, 40, were arrested Monday when they confessed to killing off-duty U.S. Border Patrol agent Javier Vega Jr.,
36. Vega died of a gunshot wound to the chest, and his father Javier Vega Sr. was hospitalized for a gunshot wound to the hip. Tijernia and Hernandez,
who are both Mexican nationals and illegal immigrants, face charges of capital murder, attempted capital murder, aggravated robbery and tampering with
evidence.
It’s concerning enough that Mexican nationals have shot and killed an off-duty Border Patrol agent, but it’s doubly concerning that the media and
Vega’s family were denied access to the arraignment.
The Valley Morning Star reported the suspects are being held without bond.
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Remember Dennis ... wind at your back .. 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wessongroup
Remember Dennis ... wind at your back .. |
Butt..of course.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Cisco
We have all been harassed and harangued at the border and at internal checkpoints, this is but another example of the lack of consideration of our
border authorities and should be known by every Nomad crossing or stopped by these .... |
They are hand-puppets for Homeland Security who evidently sees value in an armed, rogue agency. That's what scares me.
I know it's still happening, but crying about CBP is just peeing in the wind. |
I sometimes wonder how there are a finite number of crossings, I've crossed an average number of times, and have always been treated fairly and
professionally. Maybe it's because I'm always glad to see the border crew and have a great attitude.
Someone who's been ''harassed and harangued'' can't be innocent.
''Hand puppets''? Man, talk about attitude.
You guys want these men and women on the wall, you sleep safer at night because they are protecting you, and yet you whine and stomp your feet like
children.
Maybe stay NOB more, or try Nogales.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cisco
.....We have all been harassed and harangued at the border and at internal checkpoints.......... |
"We all"????? Really dude, you need to chill out
I have been going to Baja since 1962 and have never "been harassed and harangued at the border", nor "at internal checkpoints"
Cisco......do you think it might be you and/or your attitude?????.
Why the crusade???????....something happen personally to you??? Sure be interesting to know.
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Bajaguy... Maybe not everyone has experienced discourteous agents at the border or the inland checkpoints. But for those of us on the border, and
those of us that cross several times a week....... There is a systemic problem with the behavior of the CBP employees. But, not ALL are bad apples.
Just seems to be a pretty poisoned apple tree. Just a glimpse of things to come I'm afraid. But it is all in the name of keeping us safer from
something. I sure feel safer now!
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Gestapo.
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TSA with guns!
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Cisco
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaguy
| Quote: | Originally posted by Cisco
.....We have all been harassed and harangued at the border and at internal checkpoints.......... |
"We all"????? Really dude, you need to chill out
I have been going to Baja since 1962 and have never "been harassed and harangued at the border", nor "at internal checkpoints"
Cisco......do you think it might be you and/or your attitude?????.
Why the crusade???????....something happen personally to you??? Sure be interesting to know. |
Terry a couple of years ago you and I spent three days on this on forum and u2u'ing each other regarding this issue and what my experiences were and
are as I continue traveling the border areas and back and forth over La Linea.
Apparently you do not recall all the time and messages we exchanged but I'm not going to go through it again. Suffice to say that the end result was
you saying THEY could search your vehicle at any time because you don't carry anything illegal.
And my saying that would be fine if we were in a reasonable country that respects it's constitution and it's people which we are not and that you just
gave up your fourth amendment rights which makes it just that much harder for those of us that refuse searches except at Ports of Entry.
It's rather like paying off the LEO in Tecate for a non-existent infraction to get it done and be on your way. It just reinforces his scheme and the
next guy gets hit a little harder.
You losing it or do you regularly forget conversations? If you wish, go back through your posts and you will see all but the u2u's we exchanged.
I made a comment once regarding the check point east of Yuma as being a "cash cow" and Dali-Dali inquired about the comment. It was just about xmas
time last year and I was on my way out for the holiday but sent him a handful of stuff regarding illegal checkpoints and an invitation to contact me
when I returned if he had any questions, guess he didn't I have not heard from him but that stuff is on forum.
I will not put up with illegal assaults upon my person or belongings and it peees them off totally, not my intent. I just do not wish to be bothered
on the road, at a campsite in Laguna or pulled over on the Banner Grade and it is my fourth amendment and fifth amendment rights that I will protect,
much to their chagrin but totally legal. You protect your second amendment I will take care of the fourth and fifth but please don't defeat my
purposes by bending over for these pathological idiots.
Regarding this post: Two fatal shots to the head across an international border and then six or eight in the back while the kid was prone on the
sidewalk???
Sounds like some other part of the world. Sick, Sick, Sick.
Could you have gone home that night as an LEO and told your wife about your great day gunning (with a rifle) an unarmed kid???
I sure hope not, I have had more respect for your comments as a previous LEO than I have now.
I cannot even imagine that much of a lack of humanity or empathy in anyone other than a complete, unfeeling, psychopath.
We are totally screwed in this society of ours if these type of actions are allowed to become normal, unchallenged, occurrences.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by woody with a view
maybe this will even things out a bit?
http://news.yahoo.com/illegal-immigrants-kill-border-patrol-...
Illegal Immigrants Kill Border Patrol Agent, Family And Media Denied Arraignment Access
The sheriff in Willacy County, Texas, refused access to media personnel and the family of a murdered border patrol agent at the suspects’ arraignment,
according to The Monitor.
The arraignment, held inside the jail where the suspects are currently in custody, was completely off limits ”for security reasons.” Sheriff Larry
Spence told The Monitor he received anonymous calls for details about the arraignment — like time and date — and feared a jailbreak.
Gustavo Tijernia, 30, and Ismael Hernandez, 40, were arrested Monday when they confessed to killing off-duty U.S. Border Patrol agent Javier Vega Jr.,
36. Vega died of a gunshot wound to the chest, and his father Javier Vega Sr. was hospitalized for a gunshot wound to the hip. Tijernia and Hernandez,
who are both Mexican nationals and illegal immigrants, face charges of capital murder, attempted capital murder, aggravated robbery and tampering with
evidence.
It’s concerning enough that Mexican nationals have shot and killed an off-duty Border Patrol agent, but it’s doubly concerning that the media and
Vega’s family were denied access to the arraignment.
The Valley Morning Star reported the suspects are being held without bond.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Lee
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Cisco
We have all been harassed and harangued at the border and at internal checkpoints, this is but another example of the lack of consideration of our
border authorities and should be known by every Nomad crossing or stopped by these .... |
They are hand-puppets for Homeland Security who evidently sees value in an armed, rogue agency. That's what scares me.
I know it's still happening, but crying about CBP is just peeing in the wind. |
Someone who's been ''harassed and harangued'' can't be innocent.
You guys want these men and women on the wall, you sleep safer at night because they are protecting you, and yet you whine and stomp your feet like
children.
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"Someone who's been ''harassed and harangued'' can't be innocent."
BS! I refuse to be interrogated while traveling in my own country and I am totally innocent, not even carrying a weapon without permit as some of our
members do.
"You guys want these men and women on the wall..."
This guy does not want THESE men and women on the wall. This guy wants the men and women that were handling our borders prior to the enaction of the
"Patriot Act" when the CBP forces went from 4000 well trained and efficient career officers to 22,000 ill-trained, out-of-shape in many cases, angry,
inefficient, morally decadent (some felons included) cretins who have MMPI exam results comparable to the worst criminals in our society.
And who exactly is making the MONEY from their training and equipage?
And who is PAYING the money for their inefficiencies?
And who is paying the awards given to the defendants of EVERY CASE that has been tried and lost due to the CBP proven perjuries in court.
Outside of the pure CBP/ICE realm, but very active in it nonetheless is the psychotic octogenarian tea-bagger sheriff of Maricopa County, AZ. Who has
cost his constituency over 25 MILLION dollars in lost lawsuits and the folks in Arizona continue to elect him, over and over.
Their taxes are paying for this but he has cut the food ration budget down by providing 29 cent green bologna sandwiches to his pink pantied
prisoners. Who are the fools?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DocRey
TSA with guns! |
TSA doesn't need guns Doc. They do a mind-**** on you.
Unfortunately, this is the type of psychological profiling we are seeing in all things government, "It's for your own safety".
"The TSA's mandatory molestation policy is now in its fourth year of existence. American children whose parents take them on airplanes are raised to
believe "Government agents have the right to see me naked or touch me in intimate places anytime they want, so long as they cite 'security' as an
excuse." The children are raised to believe this is normal, and living in a free country does not include the freedom to decide for yourself who is
and is not allowed to see and touch your naughty bits."
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cisco
| Quote: | Originally posted by woody with a view
maybe this will even things out a bit?
http://news.yahoo.com/illegal-immigrants-kill-border-patrol-...
Illegal Immigrants Kill Border Patrol Agent, Family And Media Denied Arraignment Access
The sheriff in Willacy County, Texas, refused access to media personnel and the family of a murdered border patrol agent at the suspects’ arraignment,
according to The Monitor.
The arraignment, held inside the jail where the suspects are currently in custody, was completely off limits ”for security reasons.” Sheriff Larry
Spence told The Monitor he received anonymous calls for details about the arraignment — like time and date — and feared a jailbreak.
Gustavo Tijernia, 30, and Ismael Hernandez, 40, were arrested Monday when they confessed to killing off-duty U.S. Border Patrol agent Javier Vega Jr.,
36. Vega died of a gunshot wound to the chest, and his father Javier Vega Sr. was hospitalized for a gunshot wound to the hip. Tijernia and Hernandez,
who are both Mexican nationals and illegal immigrants, face charges of capital murder, attempted capital murder, aggravated robbery and tampering with
evidence.
It’s concerning enough that Mexican nationals have shot and killed an off-duty Border Patrol agent, but it’s doubly concerning that the media and
Vega’s family were denied access to the arraignment.
The Valley Morning Star reported the suspects are being held without bond.
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there is a saying, "No one is innocent!"
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Ditto
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cisco
And who exactly is making the MONEY from their training and equipage?
And who is PAYING the money for their inefficiencies?
And who is paying the awards given to the defendants of EVERY CASE that has been tried and lost due to the CBP proven perjuries in court.
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Reduction to the ridiculous. Yes, taxes pay for training, equipment, law suits, whatever. So, indirectly you are paying to be harassed.
I have no problem rolling up to any check point. I have DL in hand, and passport. I hold it up for inspection. If asked if I'm a US citizen,
I say yes. Not a problem for me anywhere.
If I'm asked where I'm going, where I've been, how old my father is, no problem. I answer all questions without question with a smile and positive
attitude. (These guys and gals on the wall are my brothers and sisters -- anything to make their job easier.)
I think 5% of LE anywhere will be a$$holes and I'm hoping to deal with the other 95%.
I have no problem with authority but think anyone having issues around border security and checkpoints most likely has an attitude that will get them
in trouble.
Cisco you need to go with the flow more. This stuff might seem personal but it's not. You're in good company here, though, because there
might be a disproportionate number of LE haters who agree with your POV.
US Marines: providing enemies of America an opportunity to die for their country since 1775.
What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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