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chuckie
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How about some specifics on this? Where when and how was your right to travel impinged? Sounds like another generic cop out to me....
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BajaGringo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by danaeb
For those of you who feel that your freedoms and liberties have been take away, what specific freedoms have you, personally lost, and when did you
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Here's a good start...
Americans Have Lost VIRTUALLY ALL of Our Constitutional Rights
There is a lot more but at least read this page and its links before simply dismissing this out of hand and then we can have a more in depth
discussion...
[Edited on 8-17-2014 by BajaGringo]
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SFandH
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"New technologies are radically advancing our freedoms but they are also enabling unparalleled invasions of privacy."
https://www.eff.org/issues/privacy
Intrusion into our private lives via digital technologies is a huge mainstream issue these days.
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singleshot
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http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/
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durrelllrobert
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Tioloco
Rts-
I am not bemoaning anything.
I am realistic that a nanny state will leave your grandchildren with a lot less opportunity available than what our parents had. I am all for personal
responsibility.
Unfortunately, ] think I will have to tell you in the future, "I told ya so".....
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Bob Durrell
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Tioloco
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Durrell-
Check that. I know I will have to say "I told you so!"
Wake up, please.
Thank u
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Chupacabra
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cisco
San Onofre checkpoint on Hwy 5. That was the first one I ever saw internally (that wasn't a DUI set up or like that).
(mid-late 70's) I was driving a Lincoln Town Car (large car) and we were stopped at San Onofre, pulled aside and "papers please".
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Wow. You claim to have lost ALL your Constitutional rights and the only example you can come up with is some half-baked story about being asked for
"papers" at San Onofre in the 1970's? I've crossed that immigration checkpoint literally hundreds of times and never heard of such a thing from
anyone except you. Odd...
In truth, most Libertopians are people with victim mentalities. They like to pretend they are victimized by the government and scour the Internet for
stories that feed their victim mentality. When asked for specifics of how they are victimized, they almost always fall back on silly examples such as
this.
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WTF
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bajaguy
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Oh, no!!!
http://www.cbs8.com/story/26310845/agents-seize-more-than-60...
SAN CLEMENTE (CBS 8) – Border Patrol agents have seized more than $600,000 worth of drugs at the San Clemente checkpoint over the last week.
Last Thursday, agents inspecting a dodge ram truck reported finding 16 plastic bundles hidden underneath the tailgate. Four were filled with
methamphetamine, and the other 12 tested positive for cocaine. The drugs were worth more than $440,000
The next day, agents inspecting a Chevrolet Malibu found several bundles of marijuana in the car's trunk, front and rear bumpers and under a blanket
in the backseat. The marijuana had an estimated street value of $216,000.
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BornFisher
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Hey Cisco--- I`m up for that road trip. We can go in my beater van, all I ask is I do the driving and talking if and when we are contacted by the BP.
I know some cool places along that route, and love getting out there!! And you don`t need to sponsor me!!
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Kgryfon
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If you think this only happens to people who are involved in criminal activity, you might want to read this 2010 study:
Policing for Profit: The Abuse of Civil Asset Forfeiture is the most comprehensive national study to examine the use and abuse of civil asset
forfeiture and the first study to grade the civil forfeiture laws of all 50 states and the federal government.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/30294020/Policing-For-Profit-The-A...
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SFandH
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http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2014/04/ec...
emphasis added
"This is a procedure known as "civil-asset forfeiture". Unlike criminal forfeiture, in which prosecutors seize the proceeds of criminal activity as
punishment for a crime, civil-asset forfeiture does not require a conviction or even a criminal charge: in fact, a study by Henry Hyde, a Republican
former congressman, and the Cato Institute, a libertarian think-tank, found that 80% of people whose property was seized by the federal
government were never charged with a crime."
"Though civil-asset forfeiture has a long history, it took off in America following passage of some amendments to the Comprehensive Drug Abuse and
Prevention Act in 1984 that allowed police to keep and spend forfeiture proceeds. This gave law-enforcement agencies a direct financial incentive to
take more stuff, and led to what the Institute for Justice (IJ), a libertarian law firm, calls "policing for profit". In 1986 the federal
Asset Forfeiture Fund took in $93.7m; by September 2013 the Fund held more than $2 billion in net assets."
[Edited on 8-19-2014 by SFandH]
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