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sargentodiaz
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There was one "verifiable" miracle. There have been a multitude of reports of other miracles.
The common one is encountering a small home with a family made up of a man, woman, and a little baby. Father Serra and his two companions stopped
there, were fed and given a place to sleep.
Other wayfarers claimed the road had no habitations in that area.
He is also reported to have several cases where near death patients miraculously recovered after his ministrations.
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Santo Junipero
I have no idea what's going on but it won't take my post!
[Edited on 1-17-2015 by sargentodiaz]
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David K
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Dale, if there are any accent marks or an n with the snake over it, it won't post on Nomad (a temporary issues the web host assures us). Remove any
such non-English marks and try again.
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And always has been.
Quote: Originally posted by vgabndo  |
Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make them angry. Each person who stands and claims to be an historian, a claim I have made, will be
judged by how they present their research. I have read professional work which suggested that an historian's work must take a point of view and argue
for it's truth. In the field of history, in my judgement, to do so would require a more complete education than I possess, even though I will claim to
be the living authority on certain "micro-history".
In this case, I look at an author who is an open 'human caused climate change denier' and make the judgement that I would never trust his opinion on a
less serious subject. That isn't hate or anger; it is discrimination. |
Yes, all history writings have a thesis either overt or implied. That cannot be avoided. And a good historian is aware of that and tries to avoid
working only to prove a working thesis, but to remain open enough to change. But they are also aware that being "absolutely" objective is simply not
humanly possible. And they know that everything they read is biased and has a point of view.
A simple example would be a "factual" history of something like the Rebellion of the Colonies, aka The War of Independence, aka The American
revolution would read something like this. ( Historians can't even agree on what to call it because of the implications in the title. )
Facts
After there were open violent hostilities between the colonies and England, in 1776 some colonists declared independence.
Then there would be a list of the battles and their dates and who won which battle
Then there was The Treaty of Paris in 1783 and 13 of the colonies became no longer colonies.
End of factual history. Facts are the Who, What, When and Where part of the 5 Ws --- and the Why is what is never objective. The same would be true
for strictly factual history of the missions of California. If there is a why stuck in there, it is biased and has a point of view that can be
disputed.
It was a great day for hiking in the Sierra Nevada --- Convict Lake is always beautiful. Actually, it should be covered with snow around there and we
hope that will happen SOON.
BTW- to be ignorant is to be human. I chose to remain ignorant about nuclear physics, and many other things.
On edit --- IMHO, declaring people SAINTS is kind of silly, and this one is just really distastefull.
[Edited on 1-18-2015 by DianaT]
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It's the year 2015 and we are talking about "verifiable miracles". Not sure whether to laugh or cry. WTF.
I did like what the Pope had to say about man made climate change. Now if he would just evolve on birth control. 
MAGA
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DianaT
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| Quote: Originally posted by elgatoloco | It's the year 2015 and we are talking about "verifiable miracles". Not sure whether to laugh or cry. WTF.
I did like what the Pope had to say about man made climate change. Now if he would just evolve on birth control. |
Laughing and crying both seem rather appropriate.
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elgatoloco sums up my stance on this.
There have been no "verifiable miracles" - EVER. If there were, everyone would know and there would be no doubt.
This is all business, like what was stated above already.
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Awwww, c'mon...let the church play it's games. The looney libs made a saint out of Obama a long time ago and no one here said anything.
Everything will be alright.
"YOU CAN'T LITTER ALUMINUM"
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Christianity - miracles - canonizing - Atheism - critics - scoffers. Easy targets all.
Thanks for providing entertainment through the favorite pastime of humanity...
I do what the voices in my tackle box tell me.
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sargentodiaz
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | | Dale, if there are any accent marks or an n with the snake over it, it won't post on Nomad (a temporary issues the web host assures us). Remove any
such non-English marks and try again. |
Seems to have been the problem. Will try the post again - removed the ones I could find.
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Santo Junipero
I give up. It's been posted elsewhere.
[Edited on 1-18-2015 by sargentodiaz]
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| Quote: Originally posted by Pompano | Christianity - miracles - canonizing - Atheism - critics - scoffers. Easy targets all.
Thanks for providing entertainment through the favorite pastime of humanity...
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Why doesn't this forum have a "Like" button? 
Great post, Pompano. Great post.
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You can post the link to the location of the other forum post here Dale. Doug may be able to post it here as he has with other pasted text attempts.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Ateo | elgatoloco sums up my stance on this.
There have been no "verifiable miracles" - EVER. If there were, everyone would know and there would be no doubt.
This is all business, like what was stated above already.
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Geezuz isn't being alive a miracle?!
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It is for me.
[Edited on 1-18-2015 by BajaNomad]
"YOU CAN'T LITTER ALUMINUM"
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Me too, amigo, me too.
Nena
[Edited on 1-18-2015 by BajaNomad]
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total BS
this church has done more crime to the planet than all world wars combined...IMO..put that in your pipe and smoke it !!!
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Roo RO
WTF ??
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Natalie ANN
HOla,,What a Sweet Name !!
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Thank you. It IS a nice name (thanks Mom).
Means The Gift. 
Nena
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