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Bajasun222
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More dead birds and dolphins
This is my first post on Baja Nomads. We have lived in the Punta Bufeo area for 14 years and we have never experienced as many dead dolphins and sea
birds as we have in the last two months. About 4-5 weeks ago we loaded more than 200 birds (blue-footed Boobies, pelicans, shore birds, cormorants)
out to the desert and 10 dolphins. There are more than 15 dead dolphins in about a 1 mile stretch that we didn't haul. One dolphin just washed in with
a tight nylon rope around its' belly and 20' more of rope behind it.....we saw the red tide in late January/early February. It was bad. But what I
can't explain is why only some birds, no seagulls, were affected, no dead fish, and only one seal? We had so many panga's in the water it looked like
a city. It seems like a combination of man and nature. We are hoping the moratorium on commercial fishing will be enforced and nature will take her
course. Thanks for allowing me to share.
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blackwolfmt
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Quote: Originally posted by David K  | | Quote: Originally posted by luv2fish | | Quote: Originally posted by David K | | With a sea full of life, and life isn't forever, there will be a lot a death... always. We are all here for a relatively short time.
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No David, something is up, these dolphins don't just wash up dead. Last week I was reading another article on 150 adult sea turtles found dead at San
Ignacio Lagoon. I cant find it however. |
Yes, something is up... their time on Earth. Whatever the cause, all we can really do is examine the animals and take water samples... it isn't going
to change what's happened. If the cause is man created, like fertilizer runoff (I doubt it, no farms on the gulf coast of Baja anyway) then it will
take lot's of effort to get the Mexican farmers to change what they do. |
This article is kinda old but I doubt things have gotten better for sea life in the cortez since it was written, So
much for professor DK's pollution theory
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/12/041208202518.ht...
So understand dont waste your time always searching for those wasted years
face up and make your stand and realize that your living in the golden years
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David K
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Thanks Cisco, In read your post before... and how secret was it that we blew atomic bombs off Mexico instead of the Marshall Islands? There is nothing
on the Internet showing anything 400 miles SW from San Diego... will you get busted for revealing this?
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David K
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| Quote: Originally posted by blackwolfmt | | Quote: Originally posted by David K | | Quote: Originally posted by luv2fish | | Quote: Originally posted by David K | | With a sea full of life, and life isn't forever, there will be a lot a death... always. We are all here for a relatively short time.
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No David, something is up, these dolphins don't just wash up dead. Last week I was reading another article on 150 adult sea turtles found dead at San
Ignacio Lagoon. I cant find it however. |
Yes, something is up... their time on Earth. Whatever the cause, all we can really do is examine the animals and take water samples... it isn't going
to change what's happened. If the cause is man created, like fertilizer runoff (I doubt it, no farms on the gulf coast of Baja anyway) then it will
take lot's of effort to get the Mexican farmers to change what they do. |
This article is kinda old but I doubt things have gotten better for sea life in the cortez since it was written, So
much for professor DK's pollution theory
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/12/041208202518.ht... |
Being rude is not needed, just the facts please... and from YOUR link, map shows and article states not man-made:
Algal blooms occur naturally when cold-water upwellings bring from the seafloor to the surface nutrients that stimulate the rapid
reproduction and growth of microscopic algae, also known as phytoplankton. These events often benefit marine ecosystems by generating tons of algae
that are consumed by larger organisms.
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David K
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| Quote: Originally posted by Bajasun222 | | This is my first post on Baja Nomads. We have lived in the Punta Bufeo area for 14 years and we have never experienced as many dead dolphins and sea
birds as we have in the last two months. About 4-5 weeks ago we loaded more than 200 birds (blue-footed Boobies, pelicans, shore birds, cormorants)
out to the desert and 10 dolphins. There are more than 15 dead dolphins in about a 1 mile stretch that we didn't haul. One dolphin just washed in with
a tight nylon rope around its' belly and 20' more of rope behind it.....we saw the red tide in late January/early February. It was bad. But what I
can't explain is why only some birds, no seagulls, were affected, no dead fish, and only one seal? We had so many panga's in the water it looked like
a city. It seems like a combination of man and nature. We are hoping the moratorium on commercial fishing will be enforced and nature will take her
course. Thanks for allowing me to share. |
Welcome to Nomad and thank you for sharing!
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blackwolfmt
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Scientists have found the first direct evidence linking large-scale coastal farming to massive blooms of marine algae
that are potentially harmful to ocean life and fisheries.
Who else is doing the farming then DK the fish??
So understand dont waste your time always searching for those wasted years
face up and make your stand and realize that your living in the golden years
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David K
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Tell me where in Baja is large scale coastal farming!
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| Quote: Originally posted by blackwolfmt | Scientists have found the first direct evidence linking large-scale coastal farming to massive blooms of marine algae
that are potentially harmful to ocean life and fisheries.
Who else is doing the farming then DK the fish?? |
Wolf, DK has a far better grasp of this situation than any group of educated scientists....when will you get it that they tend to be liberal
do-gooders who are trying to make the world hell for people with their big-government propaganda 
Don't believe everything you think....
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blackwolfmt
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DK Sounds like U are only wise to missions of baja
http://harpers.org/blog/2013/08/on-the-trouble-with-farmed-s...
Yes Ged ur right I guess I need shock therapy also
So understand dont waste your time always searching for those wasted years
face up and make your stand and realize that your living in the golden years
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David K
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So, rather than answer the question, you will ignore that fact that there is NO 'large-scale coastal farming' in Baja. I am not sure if any even exist
in Sonora... it is desert over there, too... but with much more water, so maybe? That is why I ask.
It just can't be a natural disaster, it must be a man-made one, right? Let's invent more things like these desert farms in Baja to blame people.
Why is Nature (or God if you believe) never given credit for being more powerful than man... she (He) is!
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bajabuddha
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... and I just saved a bundle on my car insurance yesterday in just 15 minutes! 
I don't have a BUCKET LIST, but I do have a F***- IT LIST a mile long!
86 - 45*
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Enrique2012
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Motoged, your elitist and smug way of addressing this subject is really unattractive. I'm glad you're just an internet forum troll and not someone who
yields any real power.
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David K
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 This forum needs more humor!
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SFandH
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depends upon what you mean by "large scale".
Ejido Erendira, tomatoes and chilies, and the valley that leads to Puerto Santo Tomas / Punta China. I imagine lots of pesticides and fertilizers get
washed into the ocean from both those spots during heavy rains.
The coastal area near Colonet too.
But that's the Pacific, not the SoC.
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David K
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It was blackwolfmt's post I quoted the 'large scale' from... and yes, it needs to be on the gulf coast. I am well aware of the tomato farms south of
Ensenada.
I just want people to think for themselves and not fall for any special interest group's agenda to punish and tax Americans or any people!
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bajabuddha
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BAW, HAW HAW HAW HAWWWWW !!!
No, we really don't. You supply me at least with enough that I cancelled the Sunday funnies!
JAA, JAA, JAAAAA, Oh, my sides hurt !!!! Oh, brudder.....
I don't have a BUCKET LIST, but I do have a F***- IT LIST a mile long!
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mtgoat666
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From this thread, I think 2 things. First, it is likely that fishing killed the marine mammals, perhaps the birds too. Second, DK is an as$hat,
again. Does DK just hate animals and the environment? Or does he just think anyone advocating for environmental protections is a socialist trying to
punish and tax him?
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David K
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I am for real and not government dictated solutions to real problems.
I am still waiting for the location of "large-scale farms"...  
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blackwolfmt
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | I am for real and not government dictated solutions to real problems.
I am still waiting for the location of "large-scale farms"... |
To assess the impact of agriculture on marine algae, Stanford scientists turned their attention to one of
Mexico's most productive coastal farming regions-the Yaqui River Valley, which drains into the Sea of Cortez.
"The Yaqui Valley agricultural area is 556,000 acres [225,000 hectares] of irrigated wheat," said Pamela A.
Matson, the dean of Stanford's School of Earth Sciences and co-author of the AGU study. "The entire valley is irrigated and fertilized in very short
windows of time during a six-month cycle. The excess water from irrigation runs off through streams and channels into the estuaries, and then out to
sea."
This was on the link story I guess this is not a large enough scale for U but like I said Humans ain't doing the ocean
any good seems all they do is slowly destroy it Like many other things they come in contact with
So understand dont waste your time always searching for those wasted years
face up and make your stand and realize that your living in the golden years
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | | Thanks Cisco, In read your post before... and how secret was it that we blew atomic bombs off Mexico instead of the Marshall Islands? There is nothing
on the Internet showing anything 400 miles SW from San Diego... will you get busted for revealing this? |
Not at all David. It's been a long time. This is not one of those "If I tell you I will have to kill you" stories.
I found it once when I was looking back a few years ago verifying facts in my ongoing VA battle. Check out Google and ask it for "Operation Dominic".
Should come up with all kinds of sites within that single operation. The Baja shoot was one of the last so should be kind of toward the bottom.
Operation "Swordfish" was in there somewhere also. If you have a problem with it let me know and I will get into my notes.
They also gave me a very slick piece of paper with all kinds of beautiful islands and palm trees and stuff we blew up and thanked me for
participating. It showed locations in the Western Pacific, nothing in the East (guess they didn't want a bunch of peeed-off Mexicans having nuclear
radioactivity blowing down on Baja). Although it's in the information now.
And yeah, it was all "super secret" at the time except maybe in a few select bars in Coronado and Olangapo and of course we would never tell a (BURP!
EXCUSE ME) soul about it, particularly not our "Love YOU long-time" girls in both cities. The American public and media were not told much about it
except for the fact that we were protecting them to the hilt from the (whatever menace we made up for that one).
The reason for this whole deal was that "Little Boy" (one of the thermonuclear devices we just HAD to drop on Japan even though it was not necessary.
The Government of the Rising Sun had been defeated and were negotiating how to save face for the Emperor and the Nation" but we had to do it since we
didn't really know how effective it would be on humans.
So we did!
Little Boy was not a success from a physics standpoint. The guy's that did it were using slide rules, designed in the early nineteen-forties and was a
very inefficient and crude atomic bomb.
It contained a hundred and forty-one pounds of weapons-grade uranium and almost ninety-nine percent harmlessly blew apart upon detonation. Only a
couple of pounds went nuclear (fission, splitting atoms) above Hiroshima. (I believe that one detonated at four-hundred feet elevation).
That small quantity of material that did go nuclear destroyed two-thirds of the city's buildings and about eighty thousand INNOCENT CIVILIANS.
Interestingly, the amount of weapons-grade uranium (available almost anywhere today) needed to build a terrorist bomb with the same force as that
small amount that went nuclear could fit in a gym bag.
So, that's why we were out there trying to figure out how to kill more humans, whales, dolphins, cities...
Sick chit!
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