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Whale-ista
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South Dakota plates/residency & driving in CA
Some recent posts/comments about legal residency reminded me: Lately, I see a lot of South Dakota tags in my San Diego 'hood, as well as in Baja and
Baja Sur.
Perhaps these people are only visiting, or they are staying with friends/family while getting healthcare treatments in the US?
But given other comments on Nomad, I suspect it's only a matter of time before the feds begin collaborating with local LEOs, and begin investigating
these residency claims more closely- or maybe they already are. There are electronic plate readers that easily monitor vehicles parked on streets, so
if you are in CA often, with South Dakota plates, chances are you will be monitored at some point.
Just an FYI...
\"Probably the airplanes will bring week-enders from Los Angeles before long, and the beautiful poor bedraggled old town will bloom with a
Floridian ugliness.\" (John Steinbeck, 1940, discussing the future of La Paz, BCS, Mexico)
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woody with a view
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I think you are considered a resident after 10 days per the DMV in CA.
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tiotomasbcs
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I'm just travelling thru. Going to visit my Mother. For the past few years while travelling NOB I have not had an issue. Maybe it's my soccer mom's
van that provides a great cover for an old Liberal?!  I have heard
of a few new requirements for new applicants. Goin with the flow. Tio
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sancho
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In a somewhat related story, is the practice of Ca residents
purchasing new large motorhomes, then registering them in
Montana with a paper Corp., that allows the motorhome owner
to escape the Ca sales tax, reg fees, etc. The Ca motorhome
owner keeps it in Ca., and is able to drive it in Ca. with his Ca.
drivers license since the registration is not in his name, but in
a corp that exists only on paper. Legal? Yes
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toneart
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I would think obtaining insurance for any vehicle would be difficult since you have to declare where it is garaged (or parked). Doubtful you could
cheat on this. Even if you did give a false declaration, it would be drawn to the attention of the respective DMVs. Also, a false declaration would
render the insurance coverage void in the case of an accident.
Please report here if your experience makes my conjecture false.
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BajaUtah
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Quote: Originally posted by toneart  | I would think obtaining insurance for any vehicle would be difficult since you have to declare where it is garaged (or parked). Doubtful you could
cheat on this. Even if you did give a false declaration, it would be drawn to the attention of the respective DMVs. Also, a false declaration would
render the insurance coverage void in the case of an accident.
Please report here if your experience makes my conjecture false. |
I have never been asked for my registration when getting vehicle insurance. I have a Utah reg'd car and an SD reg'd truck on the same policy. The
insurance company never asked where either were registered. On the plus side I have never made a claim on either so I don't know if it would matter.
Andy
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motoged
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I managed to "register" a dirt bike 10 years ago with an insurance agent I went to because she was known to not pay attention to such finicky details
when selling insurance.
The bike was technically illegal to put plates on due to no lights, turn signals, or horn. I did not take the step to insure it then or ever, but
received the "paper" which made such plating possible. This paper trail was to my advantage, but would have been void if the bike were to be insured
as legal for public road use and a claim was made.
What makes some things "legal" resides in the fine print most often....and we can overlook it due to our myopic vision or ulterior motives.
Up here in the frozen wastelands we must present registration papers for a vehicle in order to insure it .
[Edited on 4-16-2015 by motoged]
Don't believe everything you think....
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durrelllrobert
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Every year i get proof of insurance cards for South Dakota AND Canada from Gieco and the garaged address shown is my Postal Mail Box in Chula Vista
(same as my CA drivers license).
Bob Durrell
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Lee
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LA Times, 2003:
''From July 2001 to June 2002, the most recent figures available, the California Department of Motor Vehicles received 2,000 reports of California
residents owning and driving vehicles registered in other states, says DMV spokesman Armando Botello.
"That's probably the tip of the iceberg," says David Cavano, manager of automotive services at the Automobile Club of Southern California. Enforcing
the law is "almost impossible," he said, unless violators are stopped by a police officer who discovers the deception or a citizen reports them. In
fact, the reports investigated by the DMV and the California Highway Patrol came from law enforcement officers and citizens, Botello said.
As a result of 107 of the investigations into cases in which vehicle owners failed to comply despite notification by the DMV, the California Franchise
Tax Board collected $43,000 from scofflaws. Botello noted that the figure does not reflect back registration and license fees paid voluntarily by
vehicle owners targeted in the investigations.'' http://articles.latimes.com/2003/sep/03/autos/hy-wheels3
I believe if you have a California DL's and a SD plate vehicle and are stopped by CHP, you'll be cited. Know that's true in Colorado. In
Court, you can explain why the discrepancy.
If you're an RVer and can prove you move around, I don't see a problem. A home, alone, doesn't demonstrate residency or domicile.
If you have a home in California, though, and a job, it's not going to look good. If a CA resident has a fraudulent set up, a Montana LLC won't
protect them if the DMV or Department of Revenue goes after them. I'm not a lawyer but the way I read it.
US Marines: providing enemies of America an opportunity to die for their country since 1775.
What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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sancho
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Yes in Ca., if you're driving a vehicle with out of state plates,
and it is registered to you, and you have
a Ca. DL you can be sited. It
is my understanding people
who get SD plates also get SD DL's. The Montana reg motorhomes in Ca. are registered in Montana to the paper
corps, there is no DIRECT connection with the Ca. owner, except
in the attorneys files. I can't remember what Montana city this
attorney is located.
The Ca. DMV has no way to connect the Ca. motorhome owner
with the vehicle. Thus the Ca. owner can drive the MH in Ca.
with no fear of a citation, because on paper it is not registered/
owned by him. This has been in practice for decades
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woody with a view
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which is BS! earn all the money you can and pay your F-ing taxes.
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beckitos
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Makes you wonder how many on the beach reside in Deadwood.
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sancho
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There was another tax loophole dodge involving boats, large
$$$ kind, purchased by Ca. residents, taken possession of
at the Coronado Isles, out of Ca., taken to the Coral Marina,
just no. of Ensenada,
where one had to keep it for 90 days, then brought back into
Ca., avioding most/ all of Ca. fees, that I heard was ended a
few yrs back
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mtgoat666
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People that live in California but claim out of state residency are stealing from honest law abiding Californians. They enjoy being Californians
without paying their share of taxes. Tax cheats are stealing from you and me!
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mtgoat666
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What happened to the other thread about this?
I think it got hidden! Hhhmmmmmmm......
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4x4abc
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | People that live in California but claim out of state residency are stealing from honest law abiding Californians. They enjoy being Californians
without paying their share of taxes. Tax cheats are stealing from you and me!
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so, if a corporation finds a creative, legal way to save a few billion in taxes by headquartering on some paradise island, it's OK
but when a fellow citizen finds a creative, legal way to save a few bucks, you say he is stealing from you.
You are only saying you are not as smart and creative. Remember Darwin?
The government might be slow, but not as stupid as many think (hey, it's a living organism) - and most creative, legal ways to save are eliminated
over time. Of course not for the corporations. Ever wonder how we (yes, we - all of us) make this possible?
Harald Pietschmann
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Alan
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| Quote: | I tried to for several years because I do
feel a responsibility to my home state. I keep a vehicle in BCS that will likely never return to the US but I tried to work with California's
requirements. I dutifully maintained a California insurance policy and every year I had to go to the DMV and wait in line a minimum of 2 hours even
with an appointment to try to pay my registration with proof of insurance and a smog inspection exemption because the vehicle was kept out of state.
Every year they would tell me that Mexico was not an exempt area so every year I had to show them the Vehicle Code reference that stated that only the
Tijuana, Tecate and Ensenada areas were not exempt but all areas qualified. Finally on the third year of doing this the DMV clerk told me "I don't
care what the Vehicle Code says, I'm not giving you an exemption!" Thoroughly disgusted I walked out of there and called South Dakota DMV. My call
was answered by a very lovely lady who asked how she could assist me. I explained that I lived in California but I had a car in La Paz that I wanted
to register in South Dakota. She said "No problem, I'll be happy to assist you". She asked me the year, make and model and then told me it would be
$70 to register it (less than 1/3 of what CA charged, just send the money and the title and an address of where I wanted to plates sent. In less than
a week and a half I received my new title and my plates along with $11.47 in cash because she misquoted my fees. Every year since they send me a
notice of my registration fee which I promptly pay and receive my stickers.
South Dakota is well aware that they have more vehicles registered out of state than for in-state residents but they are happy to accept money for
cars that will never cause wear and tear on their highways. California on the other hand takes such a myopic view and refuses any attempt to work
with people even if it in their best interest to do so. Instead they expect me to drive 2,000 miles every two years just to get a smog inspection (4
times my current annual mileage). California has over-taxed and over-regulated themselves to the point they are forcing money out of the state and
then wonder why their unemployment rate is one of the highest in the nation.
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In Memory of E-57
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chuckie
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The temptation increases all the time , given the price of new vehicles and the rising sales taxes....A new pickup will cost around 35,000 bucks more
or less and and tacking on 15% (In Kansas) sales tax makes the 3% rate in SD very attractive...BUT it has to be only a matter of time until the axe
falls.....The screams of the folks who saved all that money will be heard all the way to Mulege....
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rts551
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What happened to Udo's post? Looks like the moderator took it just like the Customs guy took his sentri card.
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bajaguy
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| Quote: Originally posted by rts551 | | What happened to Udo's post? Looks like the moderator took it just like the Customs guy took his sentri card. |
The SENTRI card is issued TO an individual, but the if you look at the fine print the SENTRI card belongs to CBP, not to the individual
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