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Marie-Rose
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BCS against mining
Copied this off a Facebook post this am: (does not sound good)
"To anyone who might be interested in what is happening with Los Cardones, the proposed gold mine in the Sierra de la Laguna just a few kilometers
from Todos Santos. People have been led to believe the project is "suspended" ... that was just a word used by the mine project itself and has no
meaning legally. Right now, today, the last family that is trying to hold onto their land near the biosphere is being bullied and intimidated by thugs
from the mine. The mine is prepping the land for the project. It is not "suspended" and they want this family to give up and go away so they can
really begin the project.
On Thursday a few more than 80 people from Todos Santos, La Paz and I believe El Triunfo caravanned up to the rancho, with police escort, to tear down
a gate that was illegally blocking entry to the Biosphere. For those of you unfamiliar with the beautiful area up there, it is internationally
recognized as a unique and delicate area that should be protected. This symbolic gesture has made the miners even more determined in their
intimidation of the family.
This morning the family asked for help.They need food and water (their water has been poisoned). At 4:00 today there will be another caravan from Los
Pinos Park (the park at the one stop light in Todos Santos) with the sole purpose of taking food and water and some comfort to the family. Next week
there will be a meeting to determine how best to proceed without endangering the family more. There is discussion of collecting money to hire private
security for the family. As it is right now the women cannot go to the bathroom or bathe in the arroyo without feeling threatened. An elder gentleman
with bone cancer was beaten and is in the hospital in La Paz. The husband needs to work in La Paz and so the women are there alone during the day."
Remember, when in Mexico, yes may be no and no may be
maybe!
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captkw
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Marie-rose
Thanks for your post !! this BS has been a thorn in the side for Waay too long..and now to hear this,,,,makes my blood boil...the serria La laguna
needs to be protected for many,,many reasons.....And mining has no place there..We had a big rally 4 years ago and the bastards don't care about
nothing cept raping and making money of land that they have no ties to.............Excuse me...time for a glass of wine and reload my bazooka !!
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4x4abc
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I like your quick action of help
however, where is the government in all of this?
why are they not protecting the family?
or is it that Mexico City has granted the mining company rights that leave no more place for the family?
if so, then you might ned up on the wrong side of the law
I understand your anger, but running around mad does not help
no lawyers on your side?
Harald Pietschmann
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Osprey
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How did the mining company come to buy the land? Was it private land or communal, ejido land? I have followed the news about the proposed project and
the problems it would create but I do not know about the original land purchase.
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mtgoat666
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money makes people do terrible things
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wessongroup
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In this case ... I would agree goat ...
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4x4abc
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that includes all of us - and I agree
Harald Pietschmann
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Osprey
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So, NOBODY KNOWS HOW THE MINING COMPANY CAME BY THE LAND?
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windgrrl
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In 2013, Vista Gold had mining rights and the gold deposit is substantial:
http://news.mongabay.com/2013/0528-dimitrova-mexico-gold-min...
Invecture bought the rights from Vista recently:
http://www.invecture.com/en/team.php
Link to Invecture project information with video:
http://www.loscardones.com.mx
link fixed
[Edited on 4-20-2015 by windgrrl]
When the way comes to an end, then change. Having changed, you pass through.
~ I-Ching
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Fernweh
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I am against gold mining too.....I have already my iphone, ipad and all the other electronics with the gold plated parts.
Let's close 'em down!
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Osprey
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Windgrl, thanks so much for trying to help. Nobody else seems interested. One of the links won't open for me and the other two are advertising for the
company that buys mining projects. Neither speaks to how the land was acquired. The proposal, the project has been aggressively contested and for
very good reasons. I just wonder how this part of Mexico could allow these people to buy property in such a sensitive eco area and then stand back to
watch them raping of the Lagunas.
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windgrrl
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Greed.
Everything is for sale and we never learn the lesson.
When the way comes to an end, then change. Having changed, you pass through.
~ I-Ching
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4x4abc
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so, help me out here - what is so bad about a mine in Baja Sur?
Harald Pietschmann
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pauldavidmena
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The locals are all for it.
http://www.extraspecialbitter.com/images/flock_the_minas.jpg
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pauldavidmena
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My understanding is that this type of mining requires use of a very scarce resource: water. Here is an article I found about it. It's clearly biased, but it's tough to locate purely objective science about it.
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David K
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It rains every day in the summer in those mountains, however... did you see this from the site you linked?:
"...the company proposes to construct a desalinization plant and pump water 45 km from the ocean to the mine site."
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mtgoat666
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Quote: Originally posted by David K  |
Standard 'Green' Answer: Because mines are operated by EVIL corporations who only want to profit from destroying the earth and killing people.
Historic Reality:
If it wasn't for mines, Baja California would not have attracted people to move there from their homes on the mainland. The mines of 100-250 years ago
are tourist attractions today, which is a whole new source of income to the people of Baja California Sur. Santa Rosalia, San Antonio, El Triunfo, and
other sites are not void of life from the poisons used (cyanide and mercury, etc.) Today's modern mines are not anything close to the old mining
methods in 'harming' the environment, even though the earth is but temporary damaged. The earth (Nature) is FAR greater than man, and will always win.
But, that is just fact based on observations of life today in Baja California... and we know that 'some folks' never lets facts get in the way of a
good emotional rant! |
DK:
If the story is true, in this case it is reported that the miner is using violence to take control of land the miner has no rights to.
You don't have to be green or a fat pig to think that is wrong.
Have you ever been to an unregulated mine in the developing world? Yes, some large corporations can be evil.
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chuckie
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NOT through DK's rose colored glasses, looking down from his high horse.....
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MMc
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Open pit mine are pretty Check some of them out:
https://www.google.com/search?q=anaconda+mine&tbm=isch&a...
"Never teach a pig to sing it frustrates you and annoys the pig" - W.C.Fields
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David K
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I don't condone illegal activity or violence against land owners. I was offering an answer to Harald's question.
Please read the words I type and not add any emotional reaction into it. No high horse, no glasses... just facts.
Question to you: Are Canadians that ruthless and violent towards Mexicans...? Do you believe that? There are many Canadians who visit or live in
Baja... why can't they contact their company or government and demand a halt to the criminal behavior, if true?
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