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David K
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Well, that is ridiculous. There are some safe camping areas in Mexico. There are many, many more in the USA.
In fact the system of national forests, national parks and state and local parks and BLM lands makes the USA a prime country for camping,... Really is
a fabulous, and safe, variety of public lands for camping in the USA. Mexico does not come close.
[Edited on 6-7-2015 by mtgoat666] |
A feeling is 'ridiculous'? I thought it was a personal emotion. I thought you did everything based on emotion and not facts?
Please, keep camping in the USA... that increases my feelings about camping all the more.  
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treuboff
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Let's see Ah Ha Baja Nomad. Is there an American Nomad site?
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It's called Quartzite AZ. And some other holes in the middle of nowhere, with low prices for camping/leasing. Wherever it's cheap (and not too ugly
in terms of weather and services), people are going for winter. Baja is better only because there is more undeveloped (or not too heavily developed)
waterfront space.
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CortezBlue
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there are 2 kinds of folks, ones who ask when can we go with you to Mexico
And
The other, "Aren't you afraid to go to Mexico?"
My response has been simple
"well we've been shot at 3 times and they all missed, so I think it is pretty safe!"
Works evey time
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BajaDanD
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My friends that ask that don't even know where Baja is and think all of Mexico is by Rocky point. They don't even know that California, Arizona, New
Mexico and Texas all share borders with Mexico. I stopped trying to give them Geography lessons a long time ago.
As for camping in the USA vs Mexico there are good places and bad in both
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wilderone
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The people who ask won't go anywhere in Mexico at all, most don't camp at all, most rarely travel. In short, they have little knowledge and
experience in being prepared for a trip. I just say "no, why should I be?" Then they ask, "You go by yourself?" I really tired of that one - kind
of insulting - do they think I'm incompetent?
As for camping in US parks and campgrounds - apples and oranges. Have you ever camped at Yosemite Valley? I was astounded when we drove in to find
our campsite - like camping at a Boy Scout jamboree, or Walmart parking lot. Which is why I still backpack and camp in isolated places - especially
in Baja CA. My only fear is that my car will break down. I wish I could afford a newer car.
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Pescador
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 |
Well, that is ridiculous. There are some safe camping areas in Mexico. There are many, many more in the USA.
In fact the system of national forests, national parks and state and local parks and BLM lands makes the USA a prime country for camping,... Really is
a fabulous, and safe, variety of public lands for camping in the USA. Mexico does not come close.
[Edited on 6-7-2015 by mtgoat666] |
You never cease to amaze me. I guess you are so insulated in academic bliss that you fail to see what is going on around you. Anza Borrego has signs
all over the place that it is unsafe due to smugglers and drug cartels operating in the area. Many state and federal lands have had shootings by
people growing pot in the forest lands, both state and federal. So here's hoping you get a chance to spend many happy hours in your favorite camping
spot but you may want to keep an eye open.
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bajatrailrider
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Would not have moved,here if I was worried. Funny thing is when my Mexican Vesino.Watches CN news on my TV. He says Wow USA is a dangerous place to
visit.
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bledito
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not afraid to visit baja sur at all. The first time there rented a car and traveled all over, to todos, la paz, and all points between. Never felt
unsafe even when lost in the barrios. The roads can be a bit scary, one laners in the mountains with blind curves. A bit nervos one time around ribera
when we went down the wrong road and at the end found a ranch to ask where we were and a guy, a gringo, came around with a hunting bow arrow strung.
more worried about having to pay a mordida to a cop. or get ripped off when leaving the car places. More afraid of breaking down in a isolated area,
as we like to travel the unbeaten paths and isolated beaches. most people have no clue as they have never gone there. Most experiance the resorts and
never venture any further. they miss out on everything baja. a resort is a resort, a pool and trucked in trees could be anywhere in the world you
wouldn,t know the difference if you never left it. I like adventure and resorting is not an adventure. I have never been hassled other than the beach
vendors if I am in cabo. I felt fearful when I was in the bahamas and tried to do some venturing around. mexico not at all, only a feeling of wow
this is awesome.
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VegasNick
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| Quote: Originally posted by Pescador | | Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 |
Well, that is ridiculous. There are some safe camping areas in Mexico. There are many, many more in the USA.
In fact the system of national forests, national parks and state and local parks and BLM lands makes the USA a prime country for camping,... Really is
a fabulous, and safe, variety of public lands for camping in the USA. Mexico does not come close.
[Edited on 6-7-2015 by mtgoat666] |
You never cease to amaze me. I guess you are so insulated in academic bliss that you fail to see what is going on around you. Anza Borrego has signs
all over the place that it is unsafe due to smugglers and drug cartels operating in the area. Many state and federal lands have had shootings by
people growing pot in the forest lands, both state and federal. So here's hoping you get a chance to spend many happy hours in your favorite camping
spot but you may want to keep an eye open. |
We camp all over the western US and the best camping that I found by far is some of the abandoned mining camps and ghost towns. There are places in
the US that we have camped where I slept with my shotgun along my side. (because of having people show up while we were there that I knew would be
trouble) The way I see it, Baja would ne no different that the US. You wouldn't head off to Compton and camp in a back alley would you? 
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bowser
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Once when I when down by myself people kept asking me if I had been worried. I said no - but it was very difficult to drive and reload without my
wife to help.
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David K
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| Quote: Originally posted by VegasNick | | Quote: Originally posted by Pescador | | Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 |
Well, that is ridiculous. There are some safe camping areas in Mexico. There are many, many more in the USA.
In fact the system of national forests, national parks and state and local parks and BLM lands makes the USA a prime country for camping,... Really is
a fabulous, and safe, variety of public lands for camping in the USA. Mexico does not come close.
[Edited on 6-7-2015 by mtgoat666] |
You never cease to amaze me. I guess you are so insulated in academic bliss that you fail to see what is going on around you. Anza Borrego has signs
all over the place that it is unsafe due to smugglers and drug cartels operating in the area. Many state and federal lands have had shootings by
people growing pot in the forest lands, both state and federal. So here's hoping you get a chance to spend many happy hours in your favorite camping
spot but you may want to keep an eye open. |
We camp all over the western US and the best camping that I found by far is some of the abandoned mining camps and ghost towns. There are places in
the US that we have camped where I slept with my shotgun along my side. (because of having people show up while we were there that I knew would be
trouble) The way I see it, Baja would ne no different that the US. You wouldn't head off to Compton and camp in a back alley would you? |
That's my point about Baja being safer. You were comfortable with a gun in the USA, and in Baja, I have never needed a gun to be comfortable.
As for the Compton comment, true... I tell folks I don't camp in cities, in either country. I go camping to get away from cities and connect with
Nature. Nothing beats being outdoors, under the stars on the beach or in the desert without noise!
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: Originally posted by Pescador | | Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 |
Well, that is ridiculous. There are some safe camping areas in Mexico. There are many, many more in the USA.
In fact the system of national forests, national parks and state and local parks and BLM lands makes the USA a prime country for camping,... Really is
a fabulous, and safe, variety of public lands for camping in the USA. Mexico does not come close.
[Edited on 6-7-2015 by mtgoat666] |
You never cease to amaze me. I guess you are so insulated in academic bliss that you fail to see what is going on around you. Anza Borrego has signs
all over the place that it is unsafe due to smugglers and drug cartels operating in the area. Many state and federal lands have had shootings by
people growing pot in the forest lands, both state and federal. So here's hoping you get a chance to spend many happy hours in your favorite camping
spot but you may want to keep an eye open. |
Academic? LOL! Me thinks you should believe less of what you read
I am amused that you tout Mexico as a safe place while simultaneously selling evacuation insurance, ain't that a flocking hoot?
Anyhow, all I said is that USA has a wider variety and greater quantity of safe camping than Mexico... Heck, I don't even see much public land in
Mexico, Mexico seems to be mostly private lands relative to abundance of public lands in USA.
Anza borrego state park is a great park with great camping both remote and in formal campgrounds, and seems plenty safe to me. Don't know where you
are seeing danger "signs all over"
Look at the cal and nev public lands, not much in Mexico can compete: ABDSP, Joshua trees, Kings, high sierras, Yosemite, tuolumne, Death Valley,
Lagunas, etc. (too many to list, the variety and amount of public lands in cal and nev alone is astounding!)
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David K
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People get evacuation insurance for HEALTH emergencies, not political or criminal reasons. 
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I am asked this question a lot too. My answer is, "There are places in L.A., Santa Maria, Fresno, etc. that I would not want to visit, but that
doesn't make the entire state of California a dangerous place to be. Baja is the same for me."
Granted, I haven't been involved in a serious auto accident or experienced a medical emergency in Baja, knock on wood, so there is that aspect that
always lurks in the back of my mind.
I would hope that I've made good connections down there and have resources that I could call upon if need be.
I've been vigilant in the years I've been traveling in Baja, and also down right lucky too.
What is that saying about living on the edge?
P>*)))>{
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grace59
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I still get asked that on occasion...not by friends(they know the answer), but by new people who find out we have a home there. I tell them that no
matter where I go I am "careful, not fearful". I have stayed in my home there alone when my husband has had to work. I actually feel safer there alone
then when I am home here in WA alone. AND I have the same worries. Since I am a teacher I am a "reverse" snowbird and spend 6-7 weeks down in the
summer. I always worry about someone breaking into our house here while we are gone. We were robbed at a former home here and it just stinks to know
that someone has gone onto your property and taken things. Sorry about your break in. By the way, many of our friends who use to question us about
being afraid have finally made the journey down with us and come back with a greater understanding of why we go there.
Whenever I hear that rainy, chill wind blow. I think it may be time to head for Mexico. Tengo que obedecer mi corazon!
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here ya go----
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oP1x_vAVCu0
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Alm
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As usual at Nomads  , after a few first posts it's hard to tell what it is about,
anymore. Or what it has to do with the OP post.
Their home in CA was broken into. From where I'm standing, this has nothing to do with the heading "Aren't you afraid to go", i.e. "go" to the US or
Mexico. Theft isn't a robbery.
Gringo homes in BOLA (where they spent 6 weeks) are getting broken into every fr-king summer, when most homes are vacant. Not all of them, but every
summer. House-sitting is a steady business there. And it would've been same steady business in the US if our labor rates were lower and household
goods - more expensive. As it is now, (a mixed and highly questionable blessing from China), goods are cheap, anybody can afford a new TV or toaster.
Many homes NOB don't use house-sitter simply because alarm systems work well (and again, are affordable). Expensive homes in my area - where crime
rate is relatively low - still hire 24-hour live security guard for when they are on vacation.
[Edited on 6-7-2015 by Alm]
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4Cata
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Loved the video, BornFisher. Very familiar.
Agaveros, silk in a bottle, a beautiful bottle!
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Bajahowodd
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| Quote: Originally posted by bledito | | not afraid to visit baja sur at all. The first time there rented a car and traveled all over, to todos, la paz, and all points between. Never felt
unsafe even when lost in the barrios. The roads can be a bit scary, one laners in the mountains with blind curves. A bit nervos one time around ribera
when we went down the wrong road and at the end found a ranch to ask where we were and a guy, a gringo, came around with a hunting bow arrow strung.
more worried about having to pay a mordida to a cop. or get ripped off when leaving the car places. More afraid of breaking down in a isolated area,
as we like to travel the unbeaten paths and isolated beaches. most people have no clue as they have never gone there. Most experiance the resorts and
never venture any further. they miss out on everything baja. a resort is a resort, a pool and trucked in trees could be anywhere in the world you
wouldn,t know the difference if you never left it. I like adventure and resorting is not an adventure. I have never been hassled other than the beach
vendors if I am in cabo. I felt fearful when I was in the bahamas and tried to do some venturing around. mexico not at all, only a feeling of wow
this is awesome. |
The main reason that there has not been a great deal of violence in Baja Sur is that several of the cartel drug lords were hiding out there in the lap
of luxury. The last thing they wanted to happen is gang violence anywhere near them.
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