David K
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B vs. V and Totoaba vs. Totuava
The v and b in Spanish are so close in sound (closer to the English b), it is often swapped...
The word is BUENA (GOOD), as in Good Pitayas for sale.
I know the trend is to spell the giant gulf fish 'Totoaba', but it has always been Totuava in most earlier literature... sometimes an r is in there
too (tortuava)!
Here is that old spelling, from Wiki:
Back before the ban on the totuava in 1975 there was a world record species caught by a spearfisherman named Hal Lewis of San
Diego, CA. The fish was caught in Guaymas on 11/20/1962 and tipped the scales at 33.8kg or 74.5 lbs. The record still stands today due to government
closing the fishery.
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Mmmm Pitaya 
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since many Mexicans are not a published author you will forgive their ignorance, eh?
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Oh yes, you can say that again! I was with Antonio 'BajaCactus' at that fruit stand in San Quintin (November, 2004)...
On the right is the fruit with spines, on the left they were trimmed and ready to eat.
The fruit was brought up from La Paz.
Antonio shows me how to peel the fruit... it's easy!
Very juicy, 100% edible, tiny strawberry-like seeds, like biting into a cherry popcycle!
Thank you Antonio
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They make great margaritas.
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^^^ My favorite
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Also makes great jam.
Off grid, 12-190 watt evergreen solar panels on solar trackers, 2-3648 stacked Outback inverters, 610ah LiFePo4 48v battery bank, FM 60 and MX60
Outback charge controllers, X-240 Outback transformer for 240v from inverters, 6500 watt Kubota diesel generator.
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Yum, totuava jam! (jusk kidding with you Larry) 
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^^^ Cool link,
Thanks, Lionel
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Quote: Originally posted by lencho  | | Quote: Originally posted by David K | | I know the trend is to spell the giant gulf fish 'Totoaba', but it has always been Totuava in most earlier literature... sometimes an r is in there]
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What do you consider "earlier"? As of 1890 its scientific name was established as Totoaba macdonaldi, which should carry some influence.
Think that reference is here, should you be interested:
Gilbert, C.H. 1890. A preliminary report on the fishes collected by the steamer "Albatross" on the Pacific coast of North America during the year
1889, with descriptions of twelve new genera and ninety-two new species. Proceedings of the United States National Museum 13: 49-126.
http://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/item/53445
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Books popular in the time of my parents and others from the 50's, 60's and 70's.
Here are just a few I looked at just now (with the spelling used):
Ray Cannon's 'Sea of Cortez' c1966 (Totuava)
Tom Miller's 'Angler's Guide to Baja' c1979 (Totuava)
Neil Kelly & Gene Kira's 'The Baja Catch' c1988, 1993 (Totuava)
Gerhard & Gulick's 'Lower California Guidebook' c1956 (Totuava)
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I know the trend is to spell the giant gulf fish 'Totoaba', but it has always been Totuava in most earlier literature... sometimes an r is in there
too (tortuava)!
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Since when is the scientific name a "trend"? As the link from the Biodiversity Heritage Library clearly states, Totoaba is the actual scientific
identification of the fish. Now, locals might call it something else, in this case, Totuava, but Science beats out "trend".
Also, something can't "always" be used "most" of the time...."Always" is an absolute. Kind of like, "60% of the time it works all the time...." not
really how that works, ya know?
[Edited on 7-29-2015 by bajafam]
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Yes, you are right... Thank you.
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Hola,
hmmmm...love pitahayas..used to stop in the town of el triumfo, south of la paz and buy them in around july/august (?) as they sold them by the gallon
buckets for around $ 8.00 U.S.
friends and i thought $ 8.00 a bucket was a bargain for the tasty cactus fruit considering how they had to go into the desert, avoiding rattlesnakes,
to pick these wonderful fruit and then go home and clean them of the spines, put them in the buckets and then go by the roadside and sell them. they
kept the buckets by putting the fruits in a plastic bag after they sold them.
sounds like a lot of work to us.
one year, i took my mexican great grandson, who lives in santiago, to miraflores, where they have an annual pitahaya festival. nice little festival
with a great attendance.
Totoaba...as they were almost extinct, a few years back, i remember gene kira wrote, with mexican permits, they were catching the fish to aquaculture
them to bring them back. i never heard anything further. failure ???
anyone know about this project ?
BIEN SALUD, DA RAT
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The common name Tatoaba/Totuava precedes it's use as a scientific name. In other words the name was already in use locally and was adopted as the
scientific name. The etymology is lost to time but it is presumed to be native american and could well be a Cochimi name, or maybe Seri.
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You say 'potAYto', I say 'potAHto'.......... let's call the whole thing off.
I don't have a BUCKET LIST, but I do have a F***- IT LIST a mile long!
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