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[*] posted on 9-23-2015 at 05:14 PM
San or Santo Junípero ?


Padre Serra, who founded the first Franciscan California mission in Baja, before San Diego, was made a saint today. So, that brings up the question of when is a male saint Santo or San, in Spanish?
Santo Tomás
San Vicente, etc.




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[*] posted on 9-23-2015 at 05:54 PM


San before names of masculine saints except those beginning with D or T so it would be San Junípero.



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[*] posted on 9-23-2015 at 05:55 PM


Santa Claus - my favorite saint.


[Edited on 9-24-2015 by SFandH]
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[*] posted on 9-23-2015 at 06:18 PM


Quote: Originally posted by Bob53  
San before names of masculine saints except those beginning with D or T so it would be San Junípero.


That doesn't jive with San Diego!




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[*] posted on 9-23-2015 at 06:33 PM


Serra was just as corrupt as the Spanish government. Why not canonize pedophile priests too?

“The church’s treatment of California Indians clearly sends the message that they believe that evangelizing is saintly behavior even if it means the destruction, domination and the stealing of land of indigenous people,” Valentin Lopez, chairman of the Amah Mutsun Tribal Band, said at a news conference Tuesday at a Washington ,D.C., church.''

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[*] posted on 9-23-2015 at 06:35 PM


Well, that didn't take long


Quote: Originally posted by Lee  
Serra was just as corrupt as the Spanish government. Why not canonize pedophile priests too?

“The church’s treatment of California Indians clearly sends the message that they believe that evangelizing is saintly behavior even if it means the destruction, domination and the stealing of land of indigenous people,” Valentin Lopez, chairman of the Amah Mutsun Tribal Band, said at a news conference Tuesday at a Washington ,D.C., church.''

http://www.religionnews.com/2015/09/23/pope-francis-canonize...
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[*] posted on 9-23-2015 at 06:38 PM


Don't forget, you need to judge the person's actions according to the beliefs/ethics/morals of the time they lived, not according to current beliefs, which have evolved.


[Edited on 9-24-2015 by SFandH]
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[*] posted on 9-23-2015 at 06:42 PM


Gotta keep folks in the real world . Thanks Lee
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[*] posted on 9-23-2015 at 06:59 PM


Quote: Originally posted by hombre66  
Gotta keep folks in the real world . Thanks Lee


I'm all for keeping things real.

As long as DK promotes politics and religion on this forum, I'll have something negative to say about both.




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[*] posted on 9-23-2015 at 07:10 PM


Spanish grammar = Politics and Religion?



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[*] posted on 9-23-2015 at 07:34 PM


Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo  
Spanish grammar = Politics and Religion?


Original post is one major troll. And it appears to be working.




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[*] posted on 9-23-2015 at 07:39 PM


Seriously, Lee, the question was which form of the Spanish word for saint applies to the name Junípero. That the headline news is about the famous Franciscan missionary of the 1700's of California history is what prompted me to ask.



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[*] posted on 9-23-2015 at 08:29 PM


Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Padre Serra, who founded the first Franciscan California mission in Baja, before San Diego, was made a saint today. So, that brings up the question of when is a male saint Santo or San, in Spanish?
Santo Tomás
San Vicente, etc.


The words that come to mind are slave holder, slave master,...

He is not a saint just because a bunch of child molesting religious zealots say so!

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Quote: Originally posted by SFandH  
Don't forget, you need to judge the person's actions according to the beliefs/ethics/morals of the time they lived, not according to current beliefs, which have evolved.
[Edited on 9-24-2015 by SFandH]


I judge a church based on its entire history, not just the past few years. From what I read the church leaders are still protecting pedophiles in their ranks, and pedophilia has been going on for many centuries. That tells me the church is rotten to the core. Suggest that maybe the men should step aside and let women run the church, see if the women can fix things, eh?

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[*] posted on 9-23-2015 at 09:06 PM


Assuming this is a serious question,
I'm guessing San Serra (like San Simeon) or San Junipero (like San Jose)

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Technically, any male saint, or "santo", could be called "Santo", and it would not be strictly wrong (although it would be very uncommon) to say "Santo Pedro" or "Santo Juan". However, the custom for male saints is to abbreviate the title "Santo" to "San". The exception to this rule is when the first syllable of the name is "To___" or "Do___". Under those circumstances, if one said "San Tomás", it would be unclear whether the man's name was Tomás or just "Mas" -- because you could be saying "Santo Mas". In the same way, if you said "San Domingo", it would sound very much like "Santo Mingo", and again confusion would result. As a result, when the name begins with To- or Do-, the full title "Santo" is used. Besides "Domingo" and "Tomás", there are not many names that begin with the syllables in question, but there are a few, and the rule applies to them as well. One would thus speak of "Santo Toribio de Mongrovejo" and not "San Toribio", or "Santo Donato de Arezzo", and not "San Donato".

Note: this discussion and more comments/observations was copied from http://forum.wordreference.com/threads/san-verus-santo.60804...

[Edited on 9-24-2015 by Whale-ista]




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[*] posted on 9-23-2015 at 09:54 PM


Quote: Originally posted by DianaT  
Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo  
Spanish grammar = Politics and Religion?


Original post is one major troll. And it appears to be working.


He can not help it. I thought he was an "expert" on such issues.

[Edited on 9-24-2015 by rts551]
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[*] posted on 9-23-2015 at 10:48 PM


Quote: Originally posted by Whale-ista  
Assuming this is a serious question,
I'm guessing San Serra (like San Simeon) or San Junipero (like San Jose)

More Information:

Technically, any male saint, or "santo", could be called "Santo", and it would not be strictly wrong (although it would be very uncommon) to say "Santo Pedro" or "Santo Juan". However, the custom for male saints is to abbreviate the title "Santo" to "San". The exception to this rule is when the first syllable of the name is "To___" or "Do___". Under those circumstances, if one said "San Tomás", it would be unclear whether the man's name was Tomás or just "Mas" -- because you could be saying "Santo Mas". In the same way, if you said "San Domingo", it would sound very much like "Santo Mingo", and again confusion would result. As a result, when the name begins with To- or Do-, the full title "Santo" is used. Besides "Domingo" and "Tomás", there are not many names that begin with the syllables in question, but there are a few, and the rule applies to them as well. One would thus speak of "Santo Toribio de Mongrovejo" and not "San Toribio", or "Santo Donato de Arezzo", and not "San Donato".

[Edited on 9-24-2015 by Whale-ista]


Thank you for clearing it up....;)




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Quote: Originally posted by Whale-ista  
Assuming this is a serious question,
I'm guessing San Serra (like San Simeon) or San Junipero (like San Jose)

More Information:

Technically, any male saint, or "santo", could be called "Santo", and it would not be strictly wrong (although it would be very uncommon) to say "Santo Pedro" or "Santo Juan". However, the custom for male saints is to abbreviate the title "Santo" to "San". The exception to this rule is when the first syllable of the name is "To___" or "Do___". Under those circumstances, if one said "San Tomás", it would be unclear whether the man's name was Tomás or just "Mas" -- because you could be saying "Santo Mas". In the same way, if you said "San Domingo", it would sound very much like "Santo Mingo", and again confusion would result. As a result, when the name begins with To- or Do-, the full title "Santo" is used. Besides "Domingo" and "Tomás", there are not many names that begin with the syllables in question, but there are a few, and the rule applies to them as well. One would thus speak of "Santo Toribio de Mongrovejo" and not "San Toribio", or "Santo Donato de Arezzo", and not "San Donato".

[Edited on 9-24-2015 by Whale-ista]


Thank you, that was all I was seeking. So before male names beginning with TO and DO is SANTO and the rest is SAN.

That helps explain Santo Domingo and San Diego quite well, both D names, both end in O (or even GO)! TO and DO... Got it!





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[*] posted on 9-24-2015 at 11:42 AM


Well, I was close anyway. lol




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[*] posted on 9-24-2015 at 12:18 PM


So, in just another four thousand eight hundred and fourteen posts, "San DavidK" will be eligible for canonization?

Prolly by New Year's Day. :bounce:




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