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[*] posted on 10-14-2015 at 10:50 AM
Photos of ex-Misión de Guadalupe (de Huasinapí)


Perhaps to be included in the next book on the Missions of Baja California?

Mission Guadalupe (the older Jesuit one between Mulegé and San Ignacio) is one of the sites I have not been to (yet), and while only some cut stone walls are typically shown in photos of the site, Max Kurillo has some that include an adobe end wall as well (it is in our Old Missions book).

I would like to see recent photos at Guadalupe and see if that adobe wall (from 1996 photo) is still there.

If I can use your photo, you will get an acknowledgment in the book and copy of the book when published.

Here are the photos I have of Guadalupe mission:


From 'Kevin in Oklahoma' (ca 1996)


From Ed Vernon (ca 2000)


From Howard Gulick, 1953


From Howard Gulick, 1950




Here is our 2012 book page, photo by Max Kurillo in 1996:



Any other photos of the 1720-1795 mission out there? Thank you!

[Edited on 8-28-2017 by David K]




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[*] posted on 10-14-2015 at 08:11 PM


David-I was there when riding La Mula Mil December of 2013 and took photos. I will have to go thru the photos as they are not organized and I took alot on that trip. It may be awhile as I am headed south in a week and busy. There has been stabilization of some old foundations/walls....by INAH in the past.



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Quote: Originally posted by Baja Bucko  
David-I was there when riding La Mula Mil December of 2013 and took photos. I will have to go thru the photos as they are not organized and I took alot on that trip. It may be awhile as I am headed south in a week and busy. There has been stabilization of some old foundations/walls....by INAH in the past.


Thank you, Teddi! One question, did you see as much adobe standing as in Max's photo, or any?




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[*] posted on 10-22-2015 at 01:47 PM
Guadalupe Mission in 1996


Two photos enhanced from Max...

Guadalupe 1996a.jpg - 71kB Guadalupe 1996b.jpg - 70kB




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[*] posted on 12-6-2015 at 08:12 PM


David

Since this is for your book, don't you think you should go and do the research first hand? Maybe I am wrong, but I think that is what most authors do.
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David

Since this is for your book, don't you think you should go and do the research first hand? Maybe I am wrong, but I think that is what most authors do.


Wish I could, and I wouldn't ask if I could, but enough friends here on Nomad reading this may help. I have many photos as I shared already from the past. I thought a newer picture would be nice. History books, especially those as specific as about Baja missions do not make much more money than what it costs to print, if I am that lucky. This is a labor of love.




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[*] posted on 12-6-2015 at 11:34 PM


Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Quote: Originally posted by norte  
David

Since this is for your book, don't you think you should go and do the research first hand? Maybe I am wrong, but I think that is what most authors do.


Wish I could, and I wouldn't ask if I could, but enough friends here on Nomad reading this may help. I have many photos as I shared already from the past. I thought a newer picture would be nice. History books, especially those as specific as about Baja missions do not make much more money than what it costs to print, if I am that lucky. This is a labor of love.


Try gofundme to drum up donations. You seem to have some fans here. Maybe they will fund you,...
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[*] posted on 12-7-2015 at 07:04 AM


Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Two photos enhanced from Max...

This is very interesting David we love history.Too bad the marooons.Complain again,I guess there lives just.Suck so they need pass it on.Shame on you marooons.

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[*] posted on 12-7-2015 at 08:30 AM


Thank you goat, but I am not asking for donations... I want to exchange a product or service for my income.

Here on Nomad, the product I offer is Baja Books! We have 5 for sale and with each sale we give away one on the Gray Whales. Go to http://oldmissions.com

Here in North County San Diego, the service I offer is installing/ repairing/ upgrading to low flow: irrigation systems; and landscape lighting.




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[*] posted on 12-7-2015 at 09:36 AM


Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Quote: Originally posted by norte  
David

Since this is for your book, don't you think you should go and do the research first hand? Maybe I am wrong, but I think that is what most authors do.


Wish I could, and I wouldn't ask if I could, but enough friends here on Nomad reading this may help. I have many photos as I shared already from the past. I thought a newer picture would be nice. History books, especially those as specific as about Baja missions do not make much more money than what it costs to print, if I am that lucky. This is a labor of love.


and Hmm.... I know a little about history. If you want your book to sell they have to have credibility, you have to be more than an armchair historian, even if it is a labor of love. Find a way to get out there and live what you write about....it is what successful historians do. Otherwise it is fiction.
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[*] posted on 12-7-2015 at 10:01 AM


You don't know me that well, do you? While I have been to most of the 27 Baja missions, I have not personally been to some of them to take a recent photo of the site. Their history is not at the ruins, but instead in the letters and records of the padres who served at them. Those records are not easily viewable by most folks who have an interest in learning what happened at the missions. This new book will provide a look at what was written about these missions 200-300 and more years ago.

Have you seen books about astronomy with photos of the surface of Mars? The author of those books did not go to Mars. Does that mean he can't write about what we know about Mars?




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Quote: Originally posted by David K  
You don't know me that well, do you? While I have been to most of the 27 Baja missions, I have not personally been to some of them to take a recent photo of the site. Their history is not at the ruins, but instead in the letters and records of the padres who served at them. Those records are not easily viewable by most folks who have an interest in learning what happened at the missions. This new book will provide a look at what was written about these missions 200-300 and more years ago.

Have you seen books about astronomy with photos of the surface of Mars? The author of those books did not go to Mars. Does that mean he can't write about what we know about Mars?


No you are right. I did not know you knew Spanish and could interpret those documents.

Most authentic books about Mars are written by scientists, with access to the latest astronomical data. Not done across the internet. Hardly a good comparison.

Whatever. Just trying to be helpful.
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[*] posted on 12-7-2015 at 11:03 AM


Read my numerous historic articles here on Nomad, at Baja Bound online and at Discover Baja online, for free... or even better buy our Old Missions book about the founding of all 48 California Missions and do get my future book. You are sure to be enlightened!



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[*] posted on 12-8-2015 at 04:25 PM


You can see the mission wall on Google Earth: N26 55.16, W112 24.34

Anyone who has been up there but didn't know where the 1720-1795 mission was, The easiest landmark is where the road going north from Muleg forks and the left fork was signed for La Presa. The right fork is the road to San Jos de Magdalena (but may still be washed out from 2014 floods). The mission is just 400 feet west of the road fork, but a bit longer to walk, going around the north side of the palms.

This was the Eighth California Mission and part of our Southwest heritage.




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Quote: Originally posted by norte  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
You don't know me that well, do you? While I have been to most of the 27 Baja missions, I have not personally been to some of them to take a recent photo of the site. Their history is not at the ruins, but instead in the letters and records of the padres who served at them. Those records are not easily viewable by most folks who have an interest in learning what happened at the missions. This new book will provide a look at what was written about these missions 200-300 and more years ago.

Have you seen books about astronomy with photos of the surface of Mars? The author of those books did not go to Mars. Does that mean he can't write about what we know about Mars?


No you are right. I did not know you knew Spanish and could interpret those documents.

Most authentic books about Mars are written by scientists, with access to the latest astronomical data. Not done across the internet. Hardly a good comparison.

Whatever. Just trying to be helpful.


Interprets old Spanish documents?
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[*] posted on 12-8-2015 at 05:21 PM


Yep, that's news to me too! Those documents have already been interpreted by experts who have gone to Mexico City, Spain, The Vatican and the Bancroft Library and other archives here in California.

I am taking that scattered data and consolidating it into one, easily usable place... and fixing errors that have been repeated by some authors thanks to recently discovered letters from the missionaries.

This will have several more times the historical data than could fit in the last book I did with Max Kurillo, which covered all 48 California missions. This book is only covering the Baja California missions (27).




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[*] posted on 8-28-2017 at 11:40 AM
2017 Photos at Guadalupe de Huasinapí


This month, I finally got up to the mission site... Here are the photos with text from my trip report. The purpose of repeating the post here is to compare to the old photos, above.:

I parked my truck near the gate and walked down to the arroyo to follow it to the bottom of the mission complex. I returned to my truck on the road that the gate blocks, making a full circle.

The site is heavily grown over as well as being surrounded by barbed wire. So, this is not for the casual mission seeker but more of something for the seriously motivated ones. The road in should be a good filter to screen out the less serious. Nomad friends were last here in January 2016. I was able to include one of their photos in my book that went to print in February. Other photos I had of the mission were from the 1990s and 1950.

Walking up the arroyo from the road crossing, you discover how steep the slope is to your left (west) where the mission was established. Usually, missions are on flat areas. This was a terraced mission site.

Then, I came to see this...


A most impressive retaining wall or was it a pila (reservoir)?

I climbed up at the first chance my almost 60-year-old body could find near this wall. Barbed wire strings were at the top. Once through, I soon found this welcoming stepped walkway to this nearly 300-year-old California mission.











A 1744 report made by Padre Juan Antonio Balthasar said that Guadalupe had "the finest church in California."



In November of 1744, heavy rains caused the collapse of the church's adobe walls killing 100 Indian neophytes. A new stone and adobe mission church was built about 1750. These stone foundations are what we see today.


Looking south at the clearing and building that was possibly going to be a museum for the mission site. The road from the gate below ends here. I walk back to my truck from this clearing down that road. First, a little more looking around, a bit higher up the slope...




Bingo! This is the wall seen in Ed Vernon's Las Misiones Antiguas book, from a 1999 photo. Ed believed this was the west side of the church. If that is the case, I am standing inside the mission church here.







Leaving the site...


The road from the abandoned museum building to the gate was going to be lined with some concrete columns, the forms are along the way.


Crossing the arroyo on my way out. I take this photo looking north towards the mission area. The roof of that 'museum' building can be seen. The mission ruins are just north and northwest, uphill from it.


The sign is here to direct you to the site. There is barbed wire around it, but no other signs. Perhaps to keep cattle or goats out? Nobody lives at the site. It is a natural 'museum' to connect with California history. Photographs preserve the location and we can see very little has changed in over 50 years of photos. If you are up for a 40-mile rough drive from Mulegé, some climbing and crawling, to see California's past, then this is the place. The great majority will get their curiosity fulfilled with these photos, most likely.

ROAD LOG:
Total / Partial Miles
0.0 0.0 Hwy. 1 Mulegé, Km. 135.5 (Ice Road) Concrete street going west.
1.1 / 1.1 End pavement
2.4 / 1.3 Construction equipment yard
2.7 / 0.3 Fork. Ahead is the original road, but rocky. Left (south) is alternate, rejoins in 3.2 miles.
5.1 / 2.4 Cattle Guard
6.0 / 0.9 Alternate road junction
8.3 / 2.3 Rancho Trinidad junction, south (small sign).
11.1 / 2.8 Rancho Trinidad junction, south (big signs).
24.6 / 13.5 Rancho El Aguajito
25.0 / 0.4 La Ballena Fork. Turn north for Guadalupe. Big signs.
25.8 / 0.8 Gate (always reclose behind you)
34.1 / 8.3 Fork. Go right. Left to ranch.
34.7 / 0.6 Gate.
36.9 / 2.2 Gate.
40.0 / 3.1 Road west.
40.1 / 0.1 Gate.
40.5 / 0.4 EX-MISION de GUADALUPE sign, turn left, cross arroyo, park near gate.




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