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[*] posted on 11-13-2015 at 05:23 AM
Aviation Fees raised at many airports


New fees have been imposed at many airports mainland and Cabo and La Paz
The fees are in USDs and they stand for Landing Fee, Ramp Fee and then Overnight Fee
At the bottom is a comparison of the old fees to the new fees for a Cessna 182 and the percentage increase at Los Cabos airport.

Grupo Aeroportuario del Pacífico operates all the airports shown

Another nail in the coffin of tourist travel in Mexico.

Aguascalientes MMAS 26.69 35.58 25.62
Hermosillo MMHO 26.69 35.58 25.62
La Paz MMLP 26.69 35.58 25.62
Leon MMLO 26.69 35.58 25.62
Los Cabos MMSD 26.69 35.58 25.62
Los Mochis MMLM 26.69 35.58 25.62
Manzanillo MMZO 26.69 35.58 25.62
Mexicali MMML 26.69 35.58 25.62
Puerto Vallarta MMPR 26.69 35.58 25.62
Tijuana MMTJ 106.75 142.33 102.48
MMSD Before MMSD New Increase
C182 Landing 5.31 26.69 402%
C182 Ramp 5.79 35.58 515%
C182 Parking per day 7.58 25.62 238%

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[*] posted on 11-13-2015 at 05:49 AM


Wow, TIJ is pricey!

Do USA airports charge similarly? I never had a plane so I had never considered these costs.

Almost as cheap to fly Interjet or Volaris or TAL with those kind of fees.




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[*] posted on 11-13-2015 at 07:08 AM


Given the cost of building, operating and maintaining an airport, those fees look like a bargain!
Airports for civil aviation are tax payer subsidized playgrounds for the wealthy. I am always amazed that airports don't charge true cost to users - they should!
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[*] posted on 11-13-2015 at 10:39 AM


I guess I'm surprised that PRI took this long to jack up THOSE rates, too. They had increased the cost of just about every other fee, already.

Those former rates did seem ridiculously low.

Another nail in the coffin of GA in Mexico, might be more accurate.
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[*] posted on 11-13-2015 at 11:33 AM


This will have an impact on the Mexican economy for the tourist related areas such as Mulege, which has benefited significantly over the years from private aviation into the strip by the Serenidad.
The various medical and dental care regularly enabled free of charge by volunteer private aviation to community's that otherwise would go without will also ultimately be impacted. The hurricane volunteer private aviation relief provided in the past can't be discounted either.
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[*] posted on 11-13-2015 at 11:52 AM
Mulege


Does the Serenidad charge landing fees, ramp fees or overnight fees???

Are the new fees just charged by airports operated by Grupo Aeroportuario del Pacífico or are they country wide??
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[*] posted on 11-13-2015 at 01:46 PM


Quote: Originally posted by bajaguy  
Does the Serenidad charge landing fees, ramp fees or overnight fees???
At this point, no fees at all are charged by the Serenidad. Don Johnson, Serenidad hotel owner absorbs the cost of airstrip maintenance as well as paying for the license to operate it.

Are the new fees just charged by airports operated by Grupo Aeroportuario del Pacífico or are they country wide?? [/quote

Initially the fees are being implemented at the larger airports, but the smaller ones are expected to fall in line quickly as they receive the official paperwork.
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[*] posted on 11-13-2015 at 03:28 PM


Quote: Originally posted by LancairDriver  
This will have an impact on the Mexican economy for the tourist related areas such as Mulege, which has benefited significantly over the years from private aviation into the strip by the Serenidad.
The various medical and dental care regularly enabled free of charge by volunteer private aviation to community's that otherwise would go without will also ultimately be impacted. The hurricane volunteer private aviation relief provided in the past can't be discounted either.


Nothing is free, someone's got to pay for it. Who should pay for the cost of the airport? The people that live around it? Or the people that actually use it?
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[*] posted on 11-13-2015 at 03:34 PM


This is shocking! Is mtGoat666 a conservative, after all?

Transportation facilities are considered a benefit to all society Goat... your mail, medicine and people use airplanes to move about and provide for others.

Highways, Airports, Harbors are those few things that government is responsible to provide, IF private enterprise does not or can not... same is true for the military.




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[*] posted on 11-13-2015 at 03:56 PM


Quote: Originally posted by David K  
This is shocking! Is mtGoat666 a conservative, after all?

Transportation facilities are considered a benefit to all society Goat... your mail, medicine and people use airplanes to move about and provide for others.

Highways, Airports, Harbors are those few things that government is responsible to provide, IF private enterprise does not or can not... same is true for the military.


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[*] posted on 11-13-2015 at 06:47 PM


For airports in the USA that receive any Federal funds they are required to recoup those monies through land leases, rents, parking fees, etc. to the greatest extent possible. In addition, General Aviation (as opposed to airlines or military) pays a hefty tax on every gallon of gas or jet fuel they buy to pay their fair share of the aviation infrastructure in addition to parking fees. Also, many municipalities invest even more money into their airports as they realize the value of air transportation in the business economies of their cities. Most enlightened municipalities can provide good studies as to the business generated in their communities by the availability of an airport.

There are thousands of airplanes and pilots that do not fit into "the wealthy" box and even those, when they fly to other cities for business or recreation, support those cities by renting hotel rooms, buying food in restaurants, renting cars, buying gas, starting or supporting businesses in those cities. In recreation areas, the passengers go skiing, boating, fishing, watch race cars, go to theaters and symphonies, anything and everything that the locals can do and that supports the city or recreation area. Those companies with the larger aircraft come to cities with airports to further their business in town, work is accomplished onboard while in flight in an area of security and safety unattainable on the airlines. More work can be accomplished in one day in a private aircraft than can be done in 3,4, or 5 days using other transportation INCLUDING the airlines as they only serve a fraction of the available airports and cities country wide.




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[*] posted on 11-13-2015 at 07:51 PM


Cliffy- Very good explanation of the little understood value of General Aviation that non aviation people are seldom exposed to.
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[*] posted on 11-13-2015 at 09:32 PM


Another nail in the coffin is correct. A very shortsighted decision.
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[*] posted on 11-14-2015 at 09:38 AM


Those fees are reasonable, and affordable. Those fees do not begin to cover the true cost of airports. The high flyers will still get a mostly free ride from taxpayers, if they pay such minimal fees.
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[*] posted on 11-14-2015 at 10:38 AM


Goat, you are speaking on yet another topic you dont understand. Please get some education on the topic and then return with an opinion. Mil gracias, amigo
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[*] posted on 11-14-2015 at 10:49 AM


Don't be too hard on him, he is a legend in his own mind


Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco  
Goat, you are speaking on yet another topic you dont understand. Please get some education on the topic and then return with an opinion. Mil gracias, amigo
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[*] posted on 11-14-2015 at 10:55 AM


"Don't be too hard on him, he is a legend in his own mind"

Trying not to be.... He posts pretty frequently and it would be nice if he could get educated and actually contribute meaningfully. Instead of just wasting all of that free time he has.
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[*] posted on 11-14-2015 at 11:12 AM


Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Those fees are reasonable, and affordable. Those fees do not begin to cover the true cost of airports. The high flyers will still get a mostly free ride from taxpayers, if they pay such minimal fees.


I think RICH plane owners won't bat an eyelash at the increase.

But for the middle class type owner, it is far too much.
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[*] posted on 11-14-2015 at 11:18 AM


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You got that right. It is a definitely a deterrent.
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[*] posted on 11-14-2015 at 11:41 AM


How long has is been since they raised the fees ?
The old fees for comparison do seem very low.
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