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[*] posted on 6-17-2016 at 06:16 PM


Quote: Originally posted by sargentodiaz  
Something seldom mentions about the Catholic missionaries in the New World is their almost ignoring female Indians. It is surmised that their vows of celibacy caused them to do their best to ignore the healthy bodies shown in all their glory - before they were able to have them almost totally clad in blue cotton dresses.

It also meant that many missionaries failed to use the girls and women to perform those tasks they did before their arrival.

Another point - most of the missionaries were prolific in writing diaries and journals - most including amazingly detailed drawings of everything surrounding them. Makes one wonder where all those beautiful drawings are.


I believe there is some documentation that a few Padres succumbed to the temptations if the female natives.
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[*] posted on 6-17-2016 at 08:11 PM


Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
Quote: Originally posted by sargentodiaz  
Something seldom mentions about the Catholic missionaries in the New World is their almost ignoring female Indians. It is surmised that their vows of celibacy caused them to do their best to ignore the healthy bodies shown in all their glory - before they were able to have them almost totally clad in blue cotton dresses.

It also meant that many missionaries failed to use the girls and women to perform those tasks they did before their arrival.

Another point - most of the missionaries were prolific in writing diaries and journals - most including amazingly detailed drawings of everything surrounding them. Makes one wonder where all those beautiful drawings are.


I believe there is some documentation that a few Padres succumbed to the temptations if the female natives.


Male natives too.




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[*] posted on 6-17-2016 at 09:08 PM


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Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
Quote: Originally posted by sargentodiaz  
Something seldom mentions about the Catholic missionaries in the New World is their almost ignoring female Indians. It is surmised that their vows of celibacy caused them to do their best to ignore the healthy bodies shown in all their glory - before they were able to have them almost totally clad in blue cotton dresses.

It also meant that many missionaries failed to use the girls and women to perform those tasks they did before their arrival.

Another point - most of the missionaries were prolific in writing diaries and journals - most including amazingly detailed drawings of everything surrounding them. Makes one wonder where all those beautiful drawings are.


I believe there is some documentation that a few Padres succumbed to the temptations if the female natives.


Male natives too.


At least at that point they left no off-spring behind.
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[*] posted on 6-17-2016 at 09:20 PM


One of the popular stories is Padre Gabriel Gonzales of Todos Santos was indeed the "father" of his congregation!

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[*] posted on 6-17-2016 at 10:28 PM


Quote: Originally posted by John M  
With all respect to David, and not wishing to contribute to the hijacking of threads, I will respond to Barry A.

On the subject of Grand Canyon re-photography, I believe the book you may be referring to is "Grand Canyon - A Century of Change" by Robert H. Webb. this is a magnificent book, alas it isn't a re-do of the Powell Survey but of the 1889/1890 Robert Brewster Stanton railroad route survey. Webb, one-hundred years later replicated hundreds of Stanton survey images, using as closely as possible the time of day, day of the year, and the original camera locations.

If there is a rephoto of the Powell survey that would be yet another book to have! Although I believe many of the images in Powell were sketches. If you find it, would you U2U me with the info?

John M

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John-------I just saw this post. The book I thought I had (but don't) is a total photographic book with photos taken about 1969 each facing the almost exact same shots taken by EO Beaman (I think that's the name) of the 1871 expedition by JW Powell down the Green and Colorado Rivers. Apparently that book is in possession of Dinosaur Natl. Monument in NE Colorado where I was the first NPS "River Management" Ranger back in 1969 thru 1972. They were all black and white photos, and it was a loose leaf booklet about an inch and a half thick. Many, many comparative pictures, mostly of the Canyons of the Green River thru Dinosaur and Flaming Gorge, and Desolation and Gray Canyons, etc.. I don't remember the actual photographer of the 1969 shots, but they were taken for the centennial celebration of the original expedition, I believe, published by the US Geological Survey.
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