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bajatrailrider
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Warning to Baja vets
As you all know,we had wet winter.Lots of green grass and water. Riding last 6 days over 6 rattle snakes,killed most of them.They where out even in
cool weather.All ranchos have reported same thing.As we get into April,they will come out of the wood work.Hikers/bikers watch where you put your foot
down.
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chuckie
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Interesting, We are experiencing the same thing here in Kansas, Ranchers and Cowboys working cattle are reporting lots of Rattlers, more than usual.
Emerging much earlier than normal. Watch it!
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KurtG
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Thursday Kathy and I did a drive to see wildflowers in northern SLO county, they are pretty spectacular BTW. We were stopped on Bitterwater Road
(almost right on top of the fault line) and a local rancher stopped to warn us about rattlesnakes. Said they were present in larger than normal
numbers and he was making a point to warn people.
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mtgoat666
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Quote: Originally posted by bajatrailrider  | | As you all know,we had wet winter.Lots of green grass and water. Riding last 6 days over 6 rattle snakes,killed most of them.They where out even in
cool weather.All ranchos have reported same thing.As we get into April,they will come out of the wood work.Hikers/bikers watch where you put your foot
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No need to kill the snakes! Wear boots and pants, youll be fine
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chuckie
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Havnt seen any cowboys working without boots and pants on...Might be different where you live..
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Jack Swords
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Of course there is your dog running around without boots and pants (at least mine won't wear his pants).
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mtgoat666
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Take your pooches to rattle snake avoidance training. Its effective
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chuckie
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Do they have those classes for horses and cattle?
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willardguy
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no question the goat is right here, and I know its wrong, but I prefer my rattlers in two pieces 
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chuckie
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Depends on your point of view, like everything else...Horses and cattle tend to be bitten in the face, while grazing. Generally their airways swell
up,and If not found quickly, end up dying a terrible death, unable to breath or drink water. Most of us carry a piece of garden hose, which can be
forced down the airway, letting them get some air. They then must be transported to a Vet. The vet bill will seldom be less than 5-600 bucks, and one
of my wifes mares cost almost 2000 for treatment. So we kill every rattler we see...Dogs are less of a problem, they are vaccinated, which minimizes
the effect of a bite...SO...do what spins your crank.we are gonna keep killling them....
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chuckie
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This pony died..
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bajabuddha
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I agree; I run into a buzzworm on his turf, he lives. He's on mine, buh-bye. Same goes with Biuda Negras... unless of course she's over 80 years old
with a bad cough and owns her own chain of liquor stores.
I don't have a BUCKET LIST, but I do have a F***- IT LIST a mile long!
86 - 45*
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bajatrailrider
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MT You are beyond help,are you
just plain stupid.Or just live in your backyard in SD. I wish the snake I dont kill,keeps you company.The Market across the street,had one inside,with
two kids in there. Next door baby rattler in house,with 3 kids in there. Do you post,just to be seen.As no nothing, You should just go under a rock in
Baja. I will always respond to your,worthless posts.
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mtgoat666
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No one can resist my allure!
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chuckie
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SO? You support the death of that pony, and have no regard for the feelings of it's 12 year old owner? Killing of rattlesnakes is NOT
indiscriminate...We do it on purpose.
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Tomas Tierra
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Plenty of turf outside of human habitation areas for those things..
If I see one in the wild away from my camp, I let it alone..
If one turns up in my camp, or on a walk to the facilities, or on the path down to the surf..... Resotera
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toronja
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I think the question is where the snake is. I love wildlife, but I'm not going to leave a rattlesnake in my backyard where I let my dogs out. They
play an important role in the ecosystem, so I also wouldn't go out killing them on their turf.
Useful things you can do to keep them away from your property:
-Keep your rodent population down;
-Make sure critters don't have access under your house/outbuildings;
-Remove shrubs, wood, and rockpiles from immediately around your house/outbuildings, as well as property - this is snake habitat;
-Keep vegetation mowed/trimmed, especially at ground level;
-Don't kill large nonvenomous snakes like gopher snakes - they will keep your rodent population down and use resources a rattlesnake might otherwise
find desirable.
Definitely take the time to train your dog to avoid snakes and train a strong "leave it" cue.
(Fyi, chuckie, research on the dog rattlesnake vaccine was really limited - I did a lot of reading up on it, and it probably won't hurt to get it, but
I wouldn't rely on it whatsoever. Especially for Baja red rattlers, which are a different species than the venom it was created for).
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chuckie
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Oxnard? Ok... One of our pastures is 1600 acres +or-...Its inhabitants , if the count is correct a/o Friday, is 187 Mama cows and about 157
babies...So no HUMAN habitation.. I think there are 6-7 horses out there as well...So? We don't kill snakes out there?
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bajabuddha
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Far's anti-venin is concerned, do you really think it's regularly stocked at Baja clinics and hospitals, and readily available to the general
population? I also know this for a fact; it isn't recommended for treatment unless the bite is definitely deep and the venom is actively
progressing; otherwise the antivenin can be worse than a casual shallow bite.
Again, as stated by more than just I..... my turf, my rules. What has worked well for my yard in New Mexico is having corrugated roofing sheets on
their sides wired to my fencing and buried down about 4", overlapping each other as a barrier for entry into my yard. I still nail a few every year;
one year dispatched four in one summer... we get four different species here too, and all venomous. (FYI, I feed my tarantulas). On the other hand,
my neighbor pops our cute widdle bunny wabbits because they "eat his expensive shrubberies" he planted that are totally non-indigenous. Won't even
eat 'em afterwards, the a-hole.
Out in the woods and deserts, their turf. Farms, ranches, pastures, they gotta go, period. I'm amazed at all living creatures, and all have their
place in the ecosystem, but my back yard ain't one of 'em. Or the front yard for that matter.
EDIT: And to the OP, if you're donor-cycling in the back country and killing any snake you encounter just because it's a buzz-worm, it's kinda like
sting-rays...... you takes yer chances. Take a stick and shoo it off your trail. Horses or cattle nearby is different.... but just to kill, hope
karma doesn't catch up.
[Edited on 3-21-2016 by bajabuddha]
I don't have a BUCKET LIST, but I do have a F***- IT LIST a mile long!
86 - 45*
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chuckie
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Toronja? Agree on the dog shots...When we were doing the hunting business, we usually had 3-4 dogs bitten per year Seems the ones with the shots did
better, kind of a different deal though..dogs seem to be bitten in the xtremities....As I remember 2 lost legs one older Lab died, fat out of
shape...Vet said heart attack.....Shots are cheap or free..doesn't hurt to hedge your bets...Buddha? These dog shots are NOT antivenins...They are a
sort of preventative boosted every year...Our vets here give then free..
[Edited on 3-21-2016 by chuckie]
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