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[*] posted on 3-21-2016 at 12:50 PM
Baja Contractor Prices: Fair Daily/Weekly Rates


Struggling to be fair, yet not be taken advantage of. I've had wildly differing quotes from locals and gringos opinions vary as well.

What should I expect to pay skilled/unskilled workers in the Mulege area for painting, plumbing, rockwork, electrical, welding, on-site engine repair, handyman, etc.?

Looking for time + materials cost, and some for gas. (This is when I would manage my own jobs.)

2nd question: If you add a job "boss" / contractor for the larger jobs, how much do they add (or complicate things)?

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[Edited on 3-21-2016 by missadventuring]
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[*] posted on 3-21-2016 at 01:05 PM


might want to look at this http://yucalandia.com/answers-to-common-questions/labor-law-...
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[*] posted on 3-23-2016 at 10:20 AM


no matter what, you will pay too much

don't expect work quality at any price

quoted price will at least have tripled by the time the job is done

never pay too much in advance (many are so poor, they need the advance)

keep them hungry, otherwise they might not come back one day

keep a close eye on you possessions - they tend to disappear

non Mexican contractors are the worst

I have had good (in Mexican terms) experiences lately with a local contractor (El Centenario)

If you want quality and reasonable prices, hire a team from mainland Mexico (that's how all the commercial buildings are done)




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Thanks for the insights!
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[*] posted on 3-23-2016 at 12:34 PM


One piece of advice, Stay away from gringo workers. They, mainly because the parlay english, expect you to pay US prices and do marginal work.
Been there several times.
Must have a learning disability. lol




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[*] posted on 3-23-2016 at 02:27 PM


Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc  
no matter what, you will pay too much

don't expect work quality at any price

quoted price will at least have tripled by the time the job is done

never pay too much in advance (many are so poor, they need the advance)

keep them hungry, otherwise they might not come back one day

keep a close eye on you possessions - they tend to disappear

non Mexican contractors are the worst

I have had good (in Mexican terms) experiences lately with a local contractor (El Centenario)

If you want quality and reasonable prices, hire a team from mainland Mexico (that's how all the commercial buildings are done)


Take all advice with a grain of salt. We have not had any of the issues mentioned above.

But we pay fairly, treat our workers with respect, and have created lasting friendships with them.

I would suggest that you ask around town for some referrals.

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[*] posted on 3-23-2016 at 02:46 PM


Quote: Originally posted by Bajaboy  
Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc  
no matter what, you will pay too much

don't expect work quality at any price

quoted price will at least have tripled by the time the job is done

never pay too much in advance (many are so poor, they need the advance)

keep them hungry, otherwise they might not come back one day

keep a close eye on you possessions - they tend to disappear

non Mexican contractors are the worst

I have had good (in Mexican terms) experiences lately with a local contractor (El Centenario)

If you want quality and reasonable prices, hire a team from mainland Mexico (that's how all the commercial buildings are done)


Take all advice with a grain of salt. We have not had any of the issues mentioned above.

But we pay fairly, treat our workers with respect, and have created last friendships with them.

I would suggest that you ask around town for some referrals.


Wow, I agree with Zach. We only had a problem with one worker who was actually doing work for the person we hired and he did not want to work for him. On his own, he was great.

We knew several that we could pay in advance with no problem, and we always paid for materials in advance. We also always fed our workers their lunch, drinks, and after work, often cerveza. And yes several became good friends.

Maybe it is the small town thing, but we never had a problem with losing anything, and if anything, most did not want to charge enough. So we would "tip" them when the work was done. When they did not want to take the tip, we always said it was for the children. But then we would always end up with gifts of fish, lobster, abalone stuff, etc.

Attitude I believe has a lot to do with it. Even in the small town, people we knew who treated the workers poorly, ended up with less work. And there one who would hire workers for a job and then increase the job while work was being done and not increase the pay, and then complain that those workers did not want to work for them anymore.

Oh, we had one worker about whom we were warned about by locals and he could not be trusted. And while we loaned money to others who needed it, he asked only once because he didn't pay it back. It was worth the 200 pesos to keep him away.

Probably different in the big cities. And the going rate for work does seem to be different in different places.





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[*] posted on 3-23-2016 at 03:17 PM


Quote: Originally posted by ligui  
might want to look at this http://yucalandia.com/answers-to-common-questions/labor-law-...


Prices and other things are not the same in the Yucatan as they are in Baja.




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[*] posted on 3-23-2016 at 03:20 PM


Quote: Originally posted by vandenberg  
One piece of advice, Stay away from gringo workers. They, mainly because the parlay english, expect you to pay US prices and do marginal work.
Been there several times.
Must have a learning disability. lol

Not to mention why they are in Baja and who some of them are hiding out from in the US




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[*] posted on 3-23-2016 at 08:14 PM


In my case, in Ensenada, my contractor and myself come to agreements in regards to the price for a specific job.

The contractor is then responsible to make sure the job requirements and hired labor stay within those cost parameters.

However, most workers in the construction business within this area work on the assumption of a per hour or per day labor rate. What those prices are is dependent upon the job parameters.

For example, the land prep work with a backhoe, worked out to be $200 Pesos per hour, regardless how many hours it took to prepare the land.

Down in Bahia Asunción, I needed to have a parking area, at the house, filled with black round beach pebbles (there was sand there). We agreed on a price, and the person was paid accordingly.

In conclusion, it is the job's owner to negotiate accordingly for a job, or series of jobs.




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[*] posted on 3-23-2016 at 08:18 PM


Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc  
no matter what, you will pay too much

don't expect work quality at any price

quoted price will at least have tripled by the time the job is done

never pay too much in advance (many are so poor, they need the advance)

keep them hungry, otherwise they might not come back one day

keep a close eye on you possessions - they tend to disappear

non Mexican contractors are the worst

I have had good (in Mexican terms) experiences lately with a local contractor (El Centenario)

If you want quality and reasonable prices, hire a team from mainland Mexico (that's how all the commercial buildings are done)


I pity the workers subjected to your stupendous gas.
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Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc  
no matter what, you will pay too much

don't expect work quality at any price

quoted price will at least have tripled by the time the job is done

never pay too much in advance (many are so poor, they need the advance)

keep them hungry, otherwise they might not come back one day

keep a close eye on you possessions - they tend to disappear

non Mexican contractors are the worst

I have had good (in Mexican terms) experiences lately with a local contractor (El Centenario)

If you want quality and reasonable prices, hire a team from mainland Mexico (that's how all the commercial buildings are done)
Yeah, sure, much better to hire someone from the mainland with no local history or ties to your community. Good luck finding that guy if you ever have a problem with their work. Many of the best contractors around here are foreigners, they are experienced in different building and construction techniques, will stick to their bid, understand what quality is, warranty their work, and practice proper book keeping.



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Word of mouth references from those other than friends and relatives. There is no set pay scale. I don't think there's one in the US either.
One thing for certain....if a laborer comes to work in a Lexus, you got some bad advice.




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[*] posted on 3-24-2016 at 08:29 AM


In Mulege, take special care not to get hooked up with a contractor called Leonardo or Leo. He is a disaster of the highest order. He makes the rounds to Mulege, San Bruno, Chivato, and San Lucas and is a complete disaster.
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[*] posted on 3-24-2016 at 08:32 AM


If you are not there every day watching what is being built and how it is being built, you are not going to get what you want and will get a lot of what you don't want

Must read for anyone contemplating building in Baja (or anywhere else)

http://www.amazon.com/God-Mr-Gomez-Jack-Smith/dp/1883792681
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[*] posted on 3-24-2016 at 08:47 AM


bajaguy is absolutely correct in this assessment.

In my case, the perfect example is when my contractor hired a newbie to lay the tile in MY kitchen floor after the contractor himself laid the tile in the rest of the house. It was obvious that an amateur laid the tiles, and I was furious and ordered the contractor to rip out all the tiles and do it again correctly.


Quote: Originally posted by bajaguy  
If you are not there every day watching what is being built and how it is being built, you are not going to get what you want and will get a lot of what you don't want

Must read for anyone contemplating building in Baja (or anywhere else)

http://www.amazon.com/God-Mr-Gomez-Jack-Smith/dp/1883792681




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If you can't be onsite yourself, consider hiring someone who can.




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[*] posted on 3-24-2016 at 04:43 PM


In case you need to negotiate with a spanish only speaking buider here are some common building terms you may want to know:

http://rollybrook.com/building-materails.htm

Also note that I used the term BUILDER and not CONTRACTOR. Anyone in Baja (and maybe all of MX) can call themself a contractor because there is no liscensing requirementlike in the US (also no completion bonding or insurance requirements)




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