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David K
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La Gringa and the El Toro Copper Mine, Baja Bound article
The new Baja Bound newsletter was just published...
Here is one of the articles: https://www.bajabound.com/bajaadventures/bajatravel/la_gring...
This is a satellite image at the copper mine and ghost town ruins on El Toro mountain a mile east from the end of the road north of La Gringa:
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Thanks for providing the reference post.
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I think it was the trip in April 2004 that several of us tried to find the ghost town of El Toro. Doc at Camp Gecko told us about it but about halfway
there, the trail vanished on a small mesa and we didn't know which direction to go... Now, with Google Earth, we can see it was to stay to the left on
the mesa.
Baja is such a great place to explore and see the past!
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got a lat/long for that image, David?
never mind, David, found it in the article
2 different mines? 2 different times/companies?
[Edited on 4-27-2016 by 4x4abc]
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Thanks, interesting
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I have not known about the ghost town site
but I have driven the north trail to Ensenada Alcatraz (pretty wild!)
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I would say its all part of the same operation. The wagon road, now 4x4 road ends at one mine and the foot/burro trail goes 1 mile to the other mine
and townsite. I could not see any wagon road to or from the town using a different route.
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Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc  | I have not known about the ghost town site
but I have driven the north trail to Ensenada Alcatraz (pretty wild!)
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whats out there and whats the difficulty level?
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trail is hard to see (easier to spot on GE), very rocky, long stretches you have to imagine your trail. Best for MC. You can loop to the dry lake bed.
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| Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc |
trail is hard to see (easier to spot on GE), very rocky, long stretches you have to imagine your trail. Best for MC. You can loop to the dry lake bed.
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I don't understand the broken yellow lines...is ensenada alcatraz not make-able from the copper mine and you have to go in a different way?
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the yellow line represents a visible trail
if there is no yellow line (mainly in Arroyos), you will have to create your own new trail
but it is drivable from the mine to the beach
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| Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc | the yellow line represents a visible trail
if there is no yellow line (mainly in Arroyos), you will have to create your own new trail
but it is drivable from the mine to the beach
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thanks harald...is that the only way to ensenada alcatraz or is there an easier way?
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easy way to Bahia Alcatraz (beautiful beach!) is through Valle Agua Amarga
and check out the drive to Bahia Candelero (rocky beach)
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This is fantastic information----------I have been to Bahia Alcatraz many times by boat back in the '70's and early '80's, and landed there to explore
the beach. It truly is a beautiful and remote beach and bay. I had no idea it could be accessed by 4x4's.
Many thanks for this insight.
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BajaNomad and family camp there. The road to Bahia Guadalupe/Remedios has been off maps forever... I checked it out in 2001/2002.
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | | BajaNomad and family camp there. The road to Bahia Guadalupe/Remedios has been off maps forever... I checked it out in 2001/2002.
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True, David. We did see several old vehicle tracks on the rough cobble beaches of Bahia Guadalupe (Pescadores) and the sandy wash (Mesa de Yubay)
that feeds into the Sea there, back in the '70's/'80's, but never any veh. tracks at Ensenada Alcatraz. Harald's revelation that Alcatraz was also
accessible by vehicle really caught me by surprise. I have spent a lot of time walking Alcatraz as it was so pristine and beautiful---much nicer and
cleaner than the cobble beaches at Pescadores (see Almanac map) back then, as I remember.
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Here is a view on the hike into El Toro and some of the 'structures' and kitchen facilities.
   
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Thank you for the great pictures.
The kitchen looks like the one, we had our last Christmas dinner one.....here in El Centenario.
Karl
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Super info and pictures. Thanks for the info.
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Thank you BK! That's the first ground level photos I have seen of the ruins.. any more?
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