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Yes, that was well said. Does the good (more money/jobs) outweigh the bad (more people/water usage/sewage/garbage/traffic).
Houses back from the beach and in the hills, OK.
Hotel on the beach, horrible.
IMHO.
[Edited on 5-2-2016 by SFandH]
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Quote: Originally posted by SFandH  |
Yes, that was well said. Does the good (more money/jobs) outweigh the bad (more people/water usage/sewage/garbage/traffic).
Houses back from the beach and in the hills, OK.
Hotel on the beach, horrible.
IMHO.
[Edited on 5-2-2016 by SFandH] |
The answer to your question should be left to the Mexican people.  If
the Mexicans wanted gringo opinions I am sure they would ask.
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pauldavidmena
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Just read this article in a Colorado State University online newsletter. There's no mention of Tres Santos, but rather CSU's commitment to sustainability.
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This article about CSU Todos Santos is from a Veterinary News website and talks about the "externships" offered by the university.
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You can hardly notice the difference. 
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| Quote: Originally posted by rts551 | Another
Cachano Higuera • 3 months ago
a very small very unhappy frustrated group of foreign and some Mexicans
from Mexico city lazy freeloaders are those who criticize the project
they should be expelled from Mexico, they are causing a division in the town in fact 98% of the local people agree with
this source of employment, fix your culture and stay at home, Baja is not the place of alien haters
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This comment was by a fake Facebook profile, not a local. Also, don't get too excited about the Todos Santos Music Festival-we've probably seen the
last of those after the shenanigans TS pulled on Peter Buck.
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Interesting but not surprising to hear that the pro-development comments boasting 98% local support were bogus.
Regarding Peter Buck, I was in the plaza in January when he exhorted Todos Santeños to fight for their town. It seemed equal parts rock-n-roll
activism and red wine and zero parts insurrection, but I suspect Mr. Buck was unaware that Article 33 of the Mexican constitution might view his words
differently. So far the Festival website and festival Facebook page have been mum about plans for 2017, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a hiatus, which would be a
terrible shame.
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SFandH
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How's the hotel on the beach shaping up? Progress?
[Edited on 5-11-2016 by SFandH]
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| Quote: Originally posted by pauldavidmena | Interesting but not surprising to hear that the pro-development comments boasting 98% local support were bogus.
Regarding Peter Buck, I was in the plaza in January when he exhorted Todos Santeños to fight for their town. It seemed equal parts rock-n-roll
activism and red wine and zero parts insurrection, but I suspect Mr. Buck was unaware that Article 33 of the Mexican constitution might view his words
differently. So far the Festival website and festival Facebook page have been mum about plans for 2017, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a hiatus, which would be a
terrible shame. |
There are some specific issues in this matter that go far beyond a rock star ranting about development in a general fashion.
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The New York Times weighs in
Much of the press we've read about Tres Santos has been decidedly partisan - either downright hostile or "friendly" to the point of being an
advertisement. This article from the New York Times isn't exactly a hard-hitting expose, but it does strike a dubious tone.
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If only the developers could clean up their act a bit, not abuse water as they have, and demonstrate best use of the desalinization, reduce abuse of
the beach and provide the support promised to fisherman then maybe there would be widespread support of the project since it could benefit everyone if
only they weren't so abusive and deceitful about the water.
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I'm all for a less ambitious project that is self-sustaining and respectful of full-time residents. Maybe Tres Santos will scale down their
expectations dramatically given the opposition both in terms of protests and soft sales. My fear is that they'll overbuild, leaving an abandoned
cinder-block monument to greed.
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| Quote: Originally posted by rts551 | | Quote: Originally posted by SFandH |
Yes, that was well said. Does the good (more money/jobs) outweigh the bad (more people/water usage/sewage/garbage/traffic).
Houses back from the beach and in the hills, OK.
Hotel on the beach, horrible.
IMHO.
[Edited on 5-2-2016 by SFandH] |
The answer to your question should be left to the Mexican people. If
the Mexicans wanted gringo opinions I am sure they would ask. |
Who are the mexican people? What is their heritage? Are they mestizo, portugese, spanish, european, american? Yes? How does being Mexican differ from
being Mexican American or American Mexican in your mind since you have a strong opinion? What role do recent immigrants from the north vs immigrants
from the south or east to Mexico have compared to recent transplants from other parts of mexico and south america tr vs someone who is born in
mexico? What is mexican? Do you know SFandH? At what point is someone mexican, if they live there, if they are resident, if they pay taxes, if they
have a house, and business? Do they have to speak the language? How many people are born in baja vs immigrate? how many people are born in todos
santos vs immigrate? Apparently you've thought this through and can explain who is mexican in your mindset and gets to decide the outcome of
everything.
[Edited on 7-21-2016 by gnukid]
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it is amusing that the conspiracy theorist trust fund kid Is opining on gringos having opinions on Mexicans opining. Everyone is opinionated!
| Quote: Originally posted by gnukid | | Quote: Originally posted by rts551 | | Quote: Originally posted by SFandH |
Yes, that was well said. Does the good (more money/jobs) outweigh the bad (more people/water usage/sewage/garbage/traffic).
Houses back from the beach and in the hills, OK.
Hotel on the beach, horrible.
IMHO.
[Edited on 5-2-2016 by SFandH] |
The answer to your question should be left to the Mexican people. If
the Mexicans wanted gringo opinions I am sure they would ask. |
Who are the mexican people? What is their heritage? Are they mestizo, portugese, spanish, european, american? Yes? How does being Mexican differ from
being Mexican American or American Mexican in your mind since you have a strong opinion? What role do recent immigrants from the north vs immigrants
from the south or east to Mexico have compared to recent transplants from other parts of mexico and south america tr vs someone who is born in
mexico? What is mexican? Do you know SFandH? At what point is someone mexican, if they live there, if they are resident, if they pay taxes, if they
have a house, and business? Do they have to speak the language? How many people are born in baja vs immigrate? how many people are born in todos
santos vs immigrate? Apparently you've thought this through and can explain who is mexican in your mindset and gets to decide the outcome of
everything.
[Edited on 7-21-2016 by gnukid] |
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | it is amusing that the conspiracy theorist trust fund kid Is opining on gringos having opinions on Mexicans opining. Everyone is opinionated!
| Quote: Originally posted by gnukid | | Quote: Originally posted by rts551 | | Quote: Originally posted by SFandH |
Yes, that was well said. Does the good (more money/jobs) outweigh the bad (more people/water usage/sewage/garbage/traffic).
Houses back from the beach and in the hills, OK.
Hotel on the beach, horrible.
IMHO.
[Edited on 5-2-2016 by SFandH] |
The answer to your question should be left to the Mexican people. If
the Mexicans wanted gringo opinions I am sure they would ask. |
Who are the mexican people? What is their heritage? Are they mestizo, portugese, spanish, european, american? Yes? How does being Mexican differ from
being Mexican American or American Mexican in your mind since you have a strong opinion? What role do recent immigrants from the north vs immigrants
from the south or east to Mexico have compared to recent transplants from other parts of mexico and south america tr vs someone who is born in
mexico? What is mexican? Do you know SFandH? At what point is someone mexican, if they live there, if they are resident, if they pay taxes, if they
have a house, and business? Do they have to speak the language? How many people are born in baja vs immigrate? how many people are born in todos
santos vs immigrate? Apparently you've thought this through and can explain who is mexican in your mindset and gets to decide the outcome of
everything.
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Really, Tom, Paul might rant but he's smart AND lives in La Paz. Just a bit more knowledge about what's going on in Todos than the occasional
weekend SOB.
Any Mexicans thinking the tres santos development is anything but a cluster f*ck is living for the moment. Scarcity of water has always been a
problem in Todos. Looks like a train wreck happening.
US Marines: providing enemies of America an opportunity to die for their country since 1775.
What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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It should be a simple question for SFandH, what is his definition of a Mexican person in Todos Santos, who determines what is good for Todos Santos?
Interesting that if you live in the USA you are immediately a participant in the process, everyone has a right to determine the future of USA and are
American many claim the right and never have lived in the USA but have some connection. and those in Todos Santos are also Americans (Mexican from
North America) many or most of which are recent immigrants. BCS is among the newest states in North America, very few people are born in Todos Santos,
perhaps a few hundred who now live there. The population is largely immigrants, new arrivals, transient, seasonal, so who are the people of Todos
Santos?
Aren't they the people who live there, whose hearts are there, committed to the well being of the region, who contribute economically and
thoughtfully?
[Edited on 7-21-2016 by gnukid]
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More mainstream media coverage
Just read this article in Marketplace, the website maintained by the popular NPR program. One wonders how wider coverage of Tres Santos and its opponents
will impact its development.
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