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Frigatebird
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Vaquita report on 60 Minutes
This may have aired previously, but in LA, this story will broadcast this hour (8 PM Sun 5/22).
YMMV
BNSC
[Edited on 5-24-2016 by Frigatebird]
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Ateo
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Awesome. Gracias.
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Too little, too late.
The story of Mexican fisheries.
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mtgoat666
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The sea of Cortez was destroyed long ago.
People will continue to overfish, it's impossible to stop.
Human nature is to chase the short term gain, long term management requires strong government.
In the USA the right wing hates government control of the excesses of capitalism. In Mexico the government is too weak to control the excesses of
capitalism.
Personally, what is most infuriating is silly superstitious nonsense from China causing poaching. It is illogical, and the net result is so
destructive.
People are stupid and selfish.
[Edited on 5-23-2016 by mtgoat666]
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chuckie
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I watched it. It was pretty fatalistic, didn't seem to offer much hope. A sad thing indeed, but like much else in the SOC,been coming for a long
time....
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Goat, you claim that US drug users create the demand that the cartels are serving yet Chinese superstitions aren't the cause of Mexicans selling fish
bladders. You can't sit on both sides of the fence at once.
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mtgoat666
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Quote: Originally posted by woody with a view  | | Goat, you claim that US drug users create the demand that the cartels are serving yet Chinese superstitions aren't the cause of Mexicans selling fish
bladders. You can't sit on both sides of the fence at once. |
? Don't the Chinese create the market for fish bladders?
Not the same fence. Different fences.
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Online
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes-endangered-sea-mammal...
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Estimates utliizing SCIENCE are that 150-200 species of plant, insect, bird and mammal become extinct every 24 hours. This is nearly 1,000 times the
“natural” or “background” rate and, say many biologists, is greater than anything the world has experienced since dinosaur expiration. Mostly
attributable to human footprint. But as 'the bloated one' likes to point out ... humans are by far the most important species (because you know ... a
god made us from dirt and then breathed life into our nostrils !!)
such ignorance is proving to be so costly.
[Edited on 5-23-2016 by bezzell]
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David K
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Thank you for the link Paul.
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This may not be "PC" but as was pointed out, species go extinct on a regular basis. Maybe it's just time to let the Vaqita go the way of other
animals who were unable to adapt to the changing pressures on their survival. And yes some of those pressures come from the animal homo sapiens, but
there are probably other pressures as well. It's stupid for man to think we should save every animal from extinction no matter what the cost.
Someday we will be extinct as well. I understand that it's a "feel good" thing to many people to "save" cute animals, but it's also a part of the
natural world and Darwinian evolution.
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bezzell
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| Quote: Originally posted by ncampion | | This may not be "PC" but as was pointed out, species go extinct on a regular basis. Maybe it's just time to let the Vaqita go the way of other
animals who were unable to adapt to the changing pressures on their survival. And yes some of those pressures come from the animal homo sapiens, but
there are probably other pressures as well. It's stupid for man to think we should save every animal from extinction no matter what the cost.
Someday we will be extinct as well. I understand that it's a "feel good" thing to many people to "save" cute animals, but it's also a part of the
natural world and Darwinian evolution. |
just wow. what else can be said.
you obviously missed or chose not to believe (your right) the ... 'This is nearly 1,000 times the “natural” or “background” rate'
'nother margie?
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ncampion
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| Quote: Originally posted by bezzell |
just wow. what else can be said.
you obviously missed or chose not to believe (your right) the ... 'This is nearly 1,000 times the “natural” or “background” rate'
'nother margie? |
Just saying, less than 100 animals left, better to let them go or do you suggest spending 100's of Millions of dollars to try to "recover" an animal
that apparently will not make it in the wild under today's pressures. Not that I don't believe your statement about 1,000 X but you didn't cite a
reference that I could review.
BTW, couldn't find the word "margie" in the dictionary (other than as a girl's name), maybe you misspelled it?
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David K
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While I tend to agree that if the Vaquita was a slug or scorpion, we would not be all worked up over its extinction or should disrupt human life over
it. But because it is a "panda porpoise" all cute and all... well, we can't help ourselves.
Like the California Condor, the Vaquita life cycle may have been interrupted more by human action than other aspects of Nature. If the Condor was not
the largest North American bird, maybe it would not get the attention it has?
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | While I tend to agree that if the Vaquita was a slug or scorpion, we would not be all worked up over its extinction or should disrupt human life over
it. But because it is a "panda porpoise" all cute and all... well, we can't help ourselves.
Like the California Condor, the Vaquita life cycle may have been interrupted more by human action than other aspects of Nature. If the Condor was not
the largest North American bird, maybe it would not get the attention it has? |
If the Condor's last stand had been in Mexico we would only see them in books today. Unfortunately the Vaquita will be gone soon.
"Life is tough".....It's even tougher if you're stupid.....
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It's upsetting to me that people & governments (same) won't make a stand (question the status quo) as our population ramps and the rest of nature
is selected to endure only if it is compatible with our transformation of world.
A future overflowing with many more of our kind wanting to consume and live "the good life" of the post-industrialized western democracies is one that
will only be occupied by the monocultures of Big Ag, and of course, rats & other vermin, coyotes, crows, starlings, weeds, and the like. Can't
wait, and it won't end well for most involved.
Rant done.
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: Originally posted by Frigatebird | It's upsetting to me that people & governments (same) won't make a stand (question the status quo) as our population ramps and the rest of nature
is selected to endure only if it is compatible with our transformation of world.
A future overflowing with many more of our kind wanting to consume and live "the good life" of the post-industrialized western democracies is one that
will only be occupied by the monocultures of Big Ag, and of course, rats & other vermin, coyotes, crows, starlings, weeds, and the like. Can't
wait, and it won't end well for most involved.
Rant done. |
The world is going to hell in a hand basket, and the old white men of USA have allied behind Trump to save themselves,...
God save us!
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Ohhh boy........BajaNomad is gettin' heated up just like the good 'ol daze. 
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Another version from YouTube:
60 Minutes: The Last Vaquitas
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Not sure of Bezzel's commitment to clarity over brevity, but Goat? Well.....he grows on you, not always in a clinical fashion, but at times
entertaining as well. He's been consistent for a while, as you can see.
Thing is, in time you'll feel as most here do, the less Goat says, the better. [I say that in a kind way, Mr. Cloven Hoofed can eater]
"YOU CAN'T LITTER ALUMINUM"
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