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David K
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"Sea level change varies by location."
How convenient for your argument.
Still pretty funny that over 60 years we have photographic (and written) evidence that the sea is not higher on the Sea of Cortez over that period.
Still, what are you claiming can be done if they are going up? The only thing is to move to higher ground. You are certainly not going to make the
seas go down by making government more powerful or taxpayers poorer, right?
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mtgoat666
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Quote: Originally posted by David K  | "Sea level change varies by location."
How convenient for your argument.
Still pretty funny that over 60 years we have photographic (and written) evidence that the sea is not higher on the Sea of Cortez over that period.
Still, what are you claiming can be done if they are going up? The only thing is to move to higher ground. You are certainly not going to make the
seas go down by making government more powerful or taxpayers poorer, right? |
Cut green house gas emissions to do what we can to lessen the net effect.
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David K
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We have, China hasn't... volcanoes also erupt.
Now, can you say anything we in America can do, changes the sea level in reality or is it just in la la land?
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chuckie
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On the very VERY late show last nite Mr. Trump addressed the issue of rising seas. He will mandate a special tax assessment to all of those people and
business's residing within 250 miles of either seacoast. These funds (less management fee) will be used to buy sand from Iraq to backfill coastlines
against the rising seas. In some areas, Clinton emails may be used in lieu of sand, if the EPA approves. On the same show, Mr. Trump announced that he
will move all of HIS business activities to Omaha, Nebraska. The tax rate increase is not expected to exceed 1363% for those affected. FYI: Any
business or person that has not declared "intent to move" by COB yesterday will not be allowed to do so.
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bajabuddha
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I heard he and Giuliani are going to blow it over themselves and make the Iraqis pay for it. 
I don't have a BUCKET LIST, but I do have a F***- IT LIST a mile long!
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chuckie
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Ya think?
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woody with a view
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Has anyone considered tectonic movements could cause shorelines to rise or fall? All you who want to walk everywhere and live like they did 1000 years
ago have at it. I'm a gonna enjoy the trappings of the 21st century!
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| Quote: Originally posted by soulpatch | Maybe I am a simpleton but with additional heat comes invigorated action and response.
Warmer water leads to coral die off.
Coral die off leads to reduced coastal barriers.
Reduced coastal barriers lead to land erosion.
Whether that includes a rise in sea levels I will leave to the experts.
And, anybody that has done any reading understands that the sea rises and falls at different levels all around the world due to wind patterns, the
rotation of the earth, gravity from other influencing bodies.... and probably a myriad of other things.
So, take your pick, rising sea levels or not erosion is a reality.
I don't really find levity in this subject in any way since I am raising children and they have to deal with the fallout of placation and passivity
regarding climate change.
And, I would agree, some is a natural cycle.
However, I will say that I agree that man has added an exponential effect to any occurrence of natural cycles.
To say otherwise flies in the face of common sense.
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Don't forget the animals. There has been talk in CA to regulate the methane gas from cows.
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Here's an example of problems caused by sea-level rise. In Miami beach there are storm drains that drain surface rain water to the bay. But something
new has developed. Sea water is coming up through the drains onto the street.
Interesting video including interviews with longtime residents.
South Florida's Rising Seas - Sea Level Rise Documentary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JbzypWJk64
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| Quote: Originally posted by SFandH | Here's an example of problems caused by sea-level rise. In Miami beach there are storm drains that drain surface rain water to the bay. But something
new has developed. Sea water is coming up through the drains onto the street.
Interesting video including interviews with longtime residents.
South Florida's Rising Seas - Sea Level Rise Documentary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JbzypWJk64
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sounds like Loreto!
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SFandH
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The way the problem in Loreto was explained to me, by someone who I believe knows what he is talking about, is that when the sea wall was built there
were not adequate drainage considerations made for the part of the wall beneath ground level, causing subsurface ground water that would normally seep
into the sea to back up. Essentially, an underground dam was built stopping the water from draining. The backed-up water then gets into the sewage
system causing additional problems.
Also, the sewage needs to be pumped up to the sewage treatment plant so when there are pump system problems the low lying streets get messy.
Maybe a Loreto resident can confirm.
[Edited on 8-25-2016 by SFandH]
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| Quote: Originally posted by Barry A. | | Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | | Quote: Originally posted by Bajaboy | | Anyone else find it ironic that David sites NASA and NOAA to support his claim that climate change is not man made? |
Life is easier when you pick and choose your facts, and make up facts where the situation lacks a suitable fact.
Fact on!
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Does anybody else on this board find it alarming that a few DEMAND that other's change their mind, and by their standards fall-in-line, and when they
don't they trash and bash them over and over again, almost without fail?
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I agree. Tell David to stop doing that.
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chuckie
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I freely admit I dont understand the whys of what is happening to our seas, air and waters. I DO however agree that we are seeing massive change.I
will be in Boulder week after next, and have several friends at NOAA who have agreed to host me for a day to help me understand what they feel is
happening. I doubt I will share that. It should be interesting....
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wessongroup
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We are talking a couple of mm's ... one mm = 0.0393701 inches .... 2 mm = 0.0984252 inches
Anyone with eye's that good .... should be in Guinness world record books ... and a reason why other means of measurement are used to measure any
decrease or increase in ocean levels on the planet
Arctic sea ice is vanishing far faster than anyone thought possible
"Historically, sea ice forms every winter across the top of the planet, and covers much of the Arctic Ocean. Every summer, the ice melts a bit and
retreats, only to repeat the cycle again. But since the 1980s, the ice has been retreating further and further overall, contributing to changes to
ecosystems, and erosion so severe it is biting off chunks of coastlines in Alaska, Canada and elsewhere. It even is exacerbating the warming trend in
the Arctic."
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/19/arctic-sea-ice-is-vanishing-f...
which fits in with Patch's point .. erosion, which is just one of many aspects of ourŪ environment that can be influence by increased "heat" ... As
temperature does impact physical states of matter 
[Edited on 8-25-2016 by wessongroup]
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Sweetwater
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Hey Ged, you'll enjoy this: https://youtu.be/PGtCkv7_nIs
Everbody\'s preachin\' at me that we all wanna git to heaven, trouble is, nobody wants to die to git there.-BB King
Reality is what does not go away when you stop believing in it. -Philip K Dick
Nothing is worse than active ignorance. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe(1749-1832, German writer, artist and politician)
When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I\'ve never tried before. - Mae West
Experience is what keeps a man who makes the same mistake twice from admitting it the third time around.
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Ken,
Thanks for the link....followed up and found this TED talk about that...a fuller explanation of the concept.
Some folks may not like it because it acknowledges the concept of evolution and is presented by an educated person....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABZjlfhN0EQ
Don't believe everything you think....
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Sweetwater
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I really hate that you bring up big gubinment sources like TED talks which might be based on science, logic and reality. I'd much rather look at old
photo's of a palm tree and believe someone who has minimal education but lots of blather on these critical issues. Trump has great appeal to these
individuals and operates because they are willing to place their children into his (small) but "yuuuuugely successful" hands. NOT me, and I vote.
Everbody\'s preachin\' at me that we all wanna git to heaven, trouble is, nobody wants to die to git there.-BB King
Reality is what does not go away when you stop believing in it. -Philip K Dick
Nothing is worse than active ignorance. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe(1749-1832, German writer, artist and politician)
When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I\'ve never tried before. - Mae West
Experience is what keeps a man who makes the same mistake twice from admitting it the third time around.
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: Originally posted by wessongroup | We are talking a couple of mm's ... one mm = 0.0393701 inches .... 2 mm = 0.0984252 inches
Anyone with eye's that good .... should be in Guinness world record books ... and a reason why other means of measurement are used to measure any
decrease or increase in ocean levels on the planet
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DK has a 10 megapixel camera.
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