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Sharksbaja
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Punta Concepcion
The road to Punta Concepcion via the only road shown on the maps looks very inviting. I have heard its pretty bad in some spots . Has anyone been all
the way out to the point or is it even possible. Hows the fishin & divin on the inside(west-facing) of the bay out there towards the point?
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Bruce R Leech
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yes Sharks I have been all the way out. and it is a nice trip with some vary nice side trips. it is a vary slow rode if you are doing a day trip leave
early in the morning and you will git back late. it is much better to go out and stay overnight. and come back the next day.also if you travel alone
take a vhf radio ch 22 in Case you have trouble.
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Bob and Susan
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It's WAY easier to drive over in your boat....park at Jingle Beach..NICE!!!
Bruce,
Do you know about the guy who was supposed to have lived in a shack over there...and is there really a water source.
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Bruce R Leech
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I Know of several people that have lived there in the past.
And yes tis is one of the nice side trips is to the water fall. I think it flowed all the time. there are other sources of water there also. If any of
you go there I would appreciate it if you would post the GPS # fore some of the locations . I did not have GPS when I went. please use the Mexican
Datum.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bob and Susan
It's WAY easier to drive over in your boat....park at Jingle Beach..NICE!!!
Bruce,
Do you know about the guy who was supposed to have lived in a shack over there...and is there really a water source.
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That would have been "Corona Dave" who lived over there till his death a few years ago. I think his place was called "The Far Side". There is a
spring at Baja Patty's former place and good water at El Salto. When I motorcycled out there last month the road was narrow in a couple of places
along the shore but passable. There are interesting hikes up Arroyo Pintado and El Salto.
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Bruce R Leech
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do you have name?
the one that I new best was Baja Patty.
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Sharksbaja
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Hey, thanx alot. It looks like that area could use some serious exploring. Considering the local, it may hold some clues to Bajas past. If the area
does not see much action , some serious side trips over there could yield more suprises. Is it possible to cross over towards the end so as to be on
the east facing shore?? U are so right....gotta get a boat...but my truck lives off dirt!
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old mine
Shark---I have been out to the abandoned mine and stayed for over a week. Not much there but a lot of concrete. The bay is great for launching small
boats and a lot of kayakers use it for camping. When you are all the way out there you are truely on your own, nice and quiet. fishin rich
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Sharksbaja
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fishin rich
was the fishin rich,Fishin Rich
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Joaquin Suave
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I've sailboarded across several times on several trips about 10 years ago. I knew a CRUSTY old expat that lived over there named WHIT, He called his
palapa Whits-end. He had a really nice bar with colored bottles cast into the cement. I heard that he died several years ago from "alcohol"
complications. Shocking really.
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Sharksbaja
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Sounds like there are a few over there. Those guys(and gals) that live in these barely accessable areas are a certain breed. Removed from the
mainstream of their closest neighbors they live a hard but harmonius existence with their surroundings.Prior to thirty five years ago the majority of
the Baja residents had zero to little knowledge of our Northern ways. They were and still are a people with themselves to give albeit today with a
more capitalist approach. Unfortunate to hear of another loss to alcohol. It seems a lot of pince gringos end up retiring in Baja just to end up
drinkin' themselves to death. It is not a secret that the Mulege area has suffered9along with many of us) economically since 911. The fear of travel
and of terrorists on top of a goofey economy was reverberated in Baja. This actually may have along with the semi-recent hurricane given the Bay of
Concepcion a little breather. The bay (west side) feels and shows the pressure of paradise seeking travelers. But things are good now. 
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The squarecircle
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Sierra los Gavilanes
Greetings Sharksbaja; While at Punto Hornitos, one should climb the light tower,its really high with a Huge birdie nest on top and those birdies
will be close by watching you. Nice trails over to the old WWII mine on the E. side with some picturesque coves and sand beach camping. While
swimming in the 2nd.cove S. from the manganese mine I got tangled up with a herd of jelly-fish that gave me a good spanking. Those stinging hairs
feel like strong JALAPENO on the back of your tongue!! That got my attention for a few days. Didn't score any fish after hours of trying. I think
all the jellies scared them off. David K. guided me to 2 guidebooks: [Offbeat Baja] and [Backroad Baja] for more info. Another high besides the
temp. ( 120+*) was seeing and trying to catch a very evasive and large Coachwip snake. Go there and you will be the only one there!! Oh yes, do say
HI to Russel in Mulege. >>>sq.
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Pompano
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Punta Conception to the old mine and beyond...
I have traveled those roads and trails many times over a span of 30 years. Of course it's a trail so weather damage is constant and you travel at
risk.
There are some very nice middens here and there and up the 'Painted Canyon'...a few petroglyphs about 25 feet above today's streambed level. Great
rock formations carved by centuries of erosion and a favorite winter refuge for early Baja nomads, the Kochmi. A place to camp and relax. Look for
Kochmi arrowhead chips and points. Lots of wildlife around...saw a very nice desert muley buck last year...quail and dove everywhere. From huge
cardon to barrel cactus the desert flora is very green this year.
Years ago we were put ashore on the outside beach by boat and climbed the highest mountain, (we nicknamed it Mt. Fargo) camped there overnight and
were picked up on the bayside shore. A great trip. Quite a view from 'Mt. Fargo'. Last year some friends from our area did the same trip.
You can take numerous canyon roads to places like Baja Patti's Rancho Margarita (where we partied for many years long ago), the old mine (closed after
WWII), see a few old palapa shacks like Corona Dave's, who did call himself Farside after the cartoon...Hernando's Hideaway...Lorenzo's Lair..and
other Baja characters who yearned for solitude and seclusion. They all have interesting histories, but I won't post information about some because
those were after anonyminity and shunned attention.
One odd story I can tell is the time many years ago when one afternoon I heard a rather strained and cracking voice coming over the VHF radios we all
used for our communications. There was no hailing or call sign, just this ghostly voice coming over the airways...."Can anybody.. tell me what time
it is...and maybe.. the day and month??" I recognized the voice...it was our famous 'Corona Dave', aptly named for the bi-monthly beer trips he made
in his van to Mulege. Case upon case of Corona he would load..and disappear to the penisula..sometimes with his gal, Yvonne...most times solo. He
died on his loney penisula a few years ago.
On the main trail bordering the coastline you will pass by quite a few active fishcamps. The camps are frequently occupied with fishermen and their
families, so you are not exactly alone on the penisula. It is worth the effort to explore this remote penisula. It has been used by druggers in the
past, however, and is still infrequently patrolled by the army and marines..so be prepared to show id, etc.
You can also take the old trail to San Sebastian and find a nice little cove. A few houses built there today, but the photo shows the cove many years
ago when we made that climb.
I do what the voices in my tackle box tell me.
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Joaquin Suave
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Could Corona Dave be Whit? ie: Whits-end? Stories seem to parallel.
He way a nice guy and always remembered my name when I visited. He parked his van at punta Arena.
If so RIP!
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Pompano
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Corana Dave was also Whit's End...
he was both characters...and both fitted him well. I remember when he first came to the penisula and met me. He and his girlfriend, Yvonne, borrowed
some of my shovels, rakes, trowels, etc. and set out to build his place 'Farside' across the bay. His Yellow/orange beer van was indeed parked at
Pta. Arena...before it became Playa Naranjos.
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People of Conception and Area
Baja Patty and her Pistoleria Lupe{ Aka Paul Strong'"} lived on a small Ranch on the East Side of the Bay.
MontyNegro; Was living in his VW with his wife when he went astray one nite on the Beach, so his Wife left in his VW with all their Belongs. I heard
that he died on the Streets of Mulege.
David: A Silversmith who lived in a small Shack in San Nicholas. Left in 1972 after saving my life when I had a Heat Stroke. He filled an old bathtub
with cold water and emerged me after I became DeLerious{SP}
Name not remembered[A Miner out of Wyoming, a member of the Miners Union who wrote a Book about the Bad times in the coal Mines and was run out of the
States. {I am trying to find his book in my Library} One of the first americans to fish and Explore Isla Del Infonso.
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Barry A.
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I LOVE THIS NOMAD BOARD
This thread is the main reason why I really love this "Message Board". I want to thank all you knowledgeable folks for making back-road Baja really
"come alive". This is really neat information, and I really appreciate it. Barry
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Great stuff, guys.....
......this is what a Baja board is all about, to me.
Are there any sand coves for anchoring off in a larger boat and swimming/yaking in?
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Hook....Lots of places to set your hook
at Punta Conception penisula. Literally dozens of sandy beaches and small bays: At the entrance try Playa Domingo..it is protected from strong
northerlies and has a perfect sand bottom and beach..a favorite anchorage for sailboaters and fishermen. Very good beachcombing and shelling...easy
hike to the mine on Cortez side. Sailing further along the penisula shore look for a number of other good anchorages like Jingle Beach (full of
pretty little shells..they jingle). There are many old fish camps scattered along the shores. I would recommend the northern half of the penisula
which would be about 12 miles of possibilities. Avoid the extreme southern shorelines..too many shoals.
Places of interest are everywhere. If you are a diver, try to pinpoint the old DC-3 ditched there a long time ago..a sunken shrimp trawler...my
anchor...my favorite fillet knife...sigh.
Please avoid Isla Bargo and Dead Dog beach...some of our gals use it as their nude beach to sunbathe on for that all-over tan.
I do what the voices in my tackle box tell me.
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Sharksbaja...on those fishing hotspots on the penisula..And a Famous Fisherman Story
are you fishing from shore or a boat? Of course the boat is going to be 1000% better than shoreline casting, but it can still be done successfully
near the rocks at Playa Domingo and along that shore heading south..you will find lots of structure and dropoffs, but they are spread out for a few
miles.
On the Cortez side, find the mine road and from where it ends at the water go north or south along the rocks to find cabrilla, snapper, trigger,
etc..lots of good reef/rock dwellers for your table. If you have a fishing boat...give me a shout VHF 16 'Pompano' or contact me here when you are
in our area and I will draw you a fishing map from my 30 plus years of losing tackle to some really big ones...MONSTERS!
HERE'S A TRUE FISHING STORY FOR YOU...one of my first from Punta Concepcion. In 1974, my friend Randy and I were fishing offshore near the mine in my
little 16' Lund aluminum open boat that I had 'customized' a trifle..mostly for walleye fishing in Minnesota/Canada lakes. That day we were relative
'newbies' at catching yellowtail..but had learned from an old hand about using the large Rapala metal-billed deep divers..about a 9" inch plug...and
so we were catching a lot of big ones within just a few days. We were instant 'experts' and real happy to have those fish-catching Rapalas. What fun
we had just offshore of the old mine...yellows, cabrilla, grouper, white sea bass, ...we got them all!
Well, one day we were trolling along our favorite stretch (just off the old pier remnants at the mine) when I noticed a Boston Whaler fishing boat
closing in on us..with 2 fishermen aboard. As the Whaler got closer I said to Randy,...'Hey, look there, that guy in the front could be a double for
John Wayne..right?' You guessed it, when the boat came alongside, it WAS John Wayne. We were astounded of course, and our mouths probably dropped
to the floor. We yelled Hello and Wayne yelled Hello back, then he said..."We've been watching you having fun with those yellows and grouper..what
are you using to catch those son-of-a-%$#'s with?" We about fell over ourselves to show him what the Rapalas were and how good they worked...and I
was thinking, 'Jesus, just don't go asking him to autograph my boat...'
Wayne and his crewman had similar plugs, but no real Rapalas... so naturally we offered him two of our precious stock.
I have to tell you, that after a couple of minutes talking to this famous gentleman, he made us feel real comfortable..like he was our uncle. He
wasn't a mega-movie star out here, just another avid fisherman and a joy to meet.
They accepted our offer of the lures and I asked if we could show them one of our good points to troll past. "Hell, yes!" So we both starting
trolling along the shoreline in about 90-100 feet. Wham-wham-wham-wham...we had four hook-ups before going a few boat lengths! What a blast that
was..catching yellowtail alongside John Wayne. Only in your wildest dreams!
That was a great morning out by Pta. Concepcion...and one I will never forget. When it was getting close to out-of-fuel time, we trolled slowly by
Wayne to say goodbye. He said.."Wait a minute, I want to give you back your lures." Naturally we said "No, they're yours now." Well, I guess that
did it, because they came up alongside and Wayne asks where we were staying. I said we were camped with other friends at Coyote Beach in Conception
Bay. He said, "Hell, I know that beach real well. We're gonna head in now..can you follow us in for a drink?" Hoo-boy, that didn't take long to
answer. We followed that Whaler like we were glued to it around the Point and into the Bay..maybe 18 miles or so.
We didn't know the Bay as good back then like we do now..so when the Whaler took a sharp right turn into Santispac Bay we did'nt really know where we
were headed. Then we came around the corner and saw this huge white yacht anchored off Santispac beach..'The Wild Goose'..Wayne's converted Navy
minesweeper. We pulled alongside with Wayne and a crewman tied us up next to his Whaler. He invited us aboard and we sat down on the aftdeck with a
cool c-cktail brought by a steward (Wayne was not exactly a tee-totaler himself) and talked about the fun we had that morning. I asked about his
yacht and it's power, so he had the skipper take me on a tour of the engine rooms and bridge...quite a treat. Now some other people are coming out
of their staterooms and wherever on that huge ship. We are in for some more surprises...We are introduced as 'Some damn good fishing guides, Roger
and Randy' to some other famous folk who are Wayne's family and guests. His wife, Pilar, Donald Sutherland, Burt Reynolds(without his toupee), Dinah
Shore, Lisa Manelli, Patrick Wayne and some other friends of theirs. 'We are now famous ourselves', we think...'we are John Wayne's fishing guides!
Tombstone inscription material!'
Some of these actors were making a movie on the mainland and would fly back and forth into the Serinadad to rejoin the yacht in the Bay.
After another c-cktail and a delicious sandwich, we reluctantly took our leave and climbed onto the aftdeck swimsteps to board our little fishing
boat. Wayne is standing at the aftrail looking down at us...and says, "That's a good looking boat you have there, Roger." (I think he meant the way I
had it rigged for fishing..and it had my name on it.) I couldn't resist saying, "Mr. Wayne, that 'Wild Goose' is not bad either!" He laughed real
easy, mostly because I think he knew how nervous we were about meeting so many famous people..and in such an isolated spot to boot.
Of course, all we could talk about for the next few days was our chance meeting with John Wayne and our fishing together. I took my gal dancing that
next Saturday night at the Serinadad Pig Roast and as I already knew Don Johnson well ...I said to him rather excitedly, "Don, You'll never guess who
I met out fishing the other day!" He smiles and says, "Roger, that story is all over Mulege. Everyone knows you met the Duke out fishing and gave
him some lures." The old 'Coconut Telegraph'..I guess the word spreads fast.
Now we are dancing later that night in the inside bar at the Serinadad. I look over my wife's shoulder and see Burt Reynolds dancing 3 feet away with
Dinah Shore. He grins and nods at me. I casually ask my wife, 'Would you like to meet Burt Reynolds?'..knowing she is secretly in love with him.
"Oh SURE, why not??..you big blowhard..!', she snickers. I would give a thousand dollars to have a photo of her when I turn her around and introduce
her to Burt Reynolds and he asks for the next dance!
I find out later that week from Don Johnson that John Wayne had been coming to Mulege for many, many years and even flew ice cream down from LA in his
private plane for Don & Nancy's young girls. We autographed the old walls of the Hacienda Hotel bar with our names and dates right next to
Wayne's signature...and others like Lee Marvin, Reynolds, etc. etc. Some Old Baja Times...some truly great times.
Sorry-I have made this story unneccessarily long because I lack the skill to make it short.
(Edited to re-attach some photos from the original posting date.)
[Edited on 10-26-2014 by Pompano]
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