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DK is a master at stating the obvious, very sophomoric. Yumawill, you clearly miss the point and don't understand the problem...People vote with their
feet when there is someplace for their feet to take them. In Mexico tis PEMEX. As to EXXON building refineries in Northern Mexico, BOSH! Your comments
re: The Keystone tube and US gas prices are non relevant to the issue. We are talking about Mexico....eh?
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Quote: Originally posted by norte  | | People are tired of a corrupt thieving government. In the name of free enterprise the poor people are screwed again. |
And the people elected trump, people never learn!
You should have voted for Bernie!
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | | Quote: Originally posted by norte | | People are tired of a corrupt thieving government. In the name of free enterprise the poor people are screwed again. |
It is not free enterprise if the government controls the industry, it is socialism. Government's job is to create a condition where free enterprise
can thrive, create jobs, products, and services, that benefit everyone. Over regulation and over taxation is just government greed. Down with Big
Government! |
If trump's Goldman Sachs buddies runs govt, you may as well kiss your std of living away! Corporations will rape/pillage USA, and at end of day ship
the remaining jobs to Malaysia, Borneo, Thailand, mexico, etc.
Trump is all hat, no cattle.
[Edited on 1-14-2017 by mtgoat666]
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| Quote: Originally posted by chuckie |
...What will they do? It may be the "quiet revolution" that is being talked about by some Mexican legislators, it may be a general disruption of
process, it may be nothing...I doubt the latter....Lets hope it isn't too violent and chaotic... |
I agree. The people are tired, frustrated and extremely angry. It's not just over the gasolinazo but multiple things that have built up and compounded
by decades of growing corruption with impunity. Some of the most outrageous cases involving several governors under investigation has people
abandoning their decades old political alliances and pushed them out into the streets calling for the heads of their own parties today.
What really makes it different this time is that it's not just the poor or one particular political party but EVERYBODY! Rich and poor, college
educated professionals and farmworkers/laborers, conservatives and liberals, young and old. Many down here in Peña Nieto's own PRI party are now
discussing the option of asking him to step down, something unthinkable just a few months ago. That idea has gotten pushed further forward now with
the recent statements made by General Cienfuegos, the head of the armed forces who has made public statements that he is not in agreement with the
direction that Mexico is taking and that he is there to serve the Mexican public, not political special interests or agendas. Many down here took that
as a sign of a possible military coup in the works but insiders tell me that he was just publically withdrawing his support from the president to lay
the groundwork for others who are actively working to undermine him politically to be able to formally ask for his resignation.
Who knows but having lived through such tumultuous times socially and politically in South America decades back, the mood here feels very, very much
the same today here in Mexico. We'll see...
| Quote: Originally posted by yumawill |
Today Gas in yuma is $2.05. California $$2.89. Baja $3.99. Why? Let the market forces play out. People vote with their feet, mostly.
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I just filled up today in San Quintin and paid 16.16/L. You must be getting a really crappy exchange rate:
(16.16MXN/L) X 3.785 = 61.17MXN/gallon / 21 (pesos:dollar) = $2.91USD/gallon
[Edited on 1-14-2017 by BajaGringo]
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Oil subsidies do work sometimes, for example look at Saudi Arabia. Of course Mexico doesn't have as much oil as Saudi Arabia, and they have a large
population.
But lying to the Mexican people, and telling them privatization, will bring them lower gas prices, was not the way to go, when the only ones who got
rich, are the friends of President Nieto, and foreign oil companies.
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If you think gas is cheap these days, look what it costs in Saudi Arabia
Suhail al-Tammimi, 32, a religion teacher, filled up his small car for about $7 at the al-Dhaher fueling station in Riyadh on Jan. 19. (Kevin
Sullivan/The Washington Post)
RIYADH, Saudi Arabia — Ahmed al-Ghaith pulled his Dodge Durango into a gas station in central Riyadh and told the attendant to fill it up. In a
country where gas sells for 45 cents a gallon, that cost him $12.
With global oil prices plummeting, you might think people in Saudi Arabia, a nation synonymous with oil, where 90 percent of government revenue comes
from holes drilled in its majestically profitable sands, would be freaking out.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/if-you-thin...
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[rquote]=1064443&tid=85467&author=BajaGringo
Who knows but having lived through such tumultuous times socially and politically in South America decades back, the mood here feels very, very much
the same today here in Mexico. We'll see...
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Unfortunately, Ron.................you'll most likely see more of this before anything considered beneficial:
http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB10/intro.htm
[Edited on 1-14-2017 by DENNIS]
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Hard to say Dennis and you could be right but one big and obvious difference today is that Peña Nieto does not have the political support that Diaz
Ordaz had back then. Even General Cienfuegos has been making statements lately creating distance between himself and the president. Look at the
continuing political fallout Peña Nieto has endured from the 43 missing students from Ayotzinapa, in spite of no clear evidence linking any federal
forces to their disappearance / murders? Today the magnifying glass is really on Peña Nieto, watching his every move with the general population
extremely angry and doubting everything he says right now. His popularity is like 20% right now, meaning that half of his own party members have
abandoned him already.
Any such action today (like 1968) would almost certainly create a very violent reaction from the population down here that is as fed up collectively
as a nation as I have ever seen Mexico in all my years. I brought up the decades old Argentina reference as I feel today the very same general mood
here that I felt back then.
But to be clear, I see such a move by Peña Nieto as suicidal as he doesn't have the political or military support to withstand it. All he would have
left would be the federal police / gendarmeria and I simply don't think that would be enough. Much more likely he is planning to create a distraction
by attempting to focus the country on a much bigger foreign enemy - Trump.
General Galtieri and Admiral Anaya came up with a similar plan when facing such a similar social-political crisis in Argentina back in 1982. The
foreign enemy they chose was Great Britain and so overnight they took back the Malvinas (Falkland Islands). That worked for awhile until Margaret
Thatcher decided to sail halfway around the world to take back the tiny island chain. Turns out she was needing the same distraction plan as well;
facing record unemployment and pressure from the Labour Party.
The very same day the British took back the islands an extremely large mob gathered in the Plaza de Mayo in front of the Casa Rosada, demanding the
heads of Galtieri and his advisors. That evening Galtieri went on national TV and announced there would be democratic elections in 90 days, ending six
years of military rule over the country.
Amazing times to have lived through and I feel the very same vibe in the streets here today in Mexico. The downside for Peña Nieto is that he doesn't
have as big a carrot to offer as Galtieri did back then.
We'll see...
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | | Quote: Originally posted by David K | | Quote: Originally posted by norte | | People are tired of a corrupt thieving government. In the name of free enterprise the poor people are screwed again. |
It is not free enterprise if the government controls the industry, it is socialism. Government's job is to create a condition where free enterprise
can thrive, create jobs, products, and services, that benefit everyone. Over regulation and over taxation is just government greed. Down with Big
Government! |
If trump's Goldman Sachs buddies runs govt, you may as well kiss your std of living away! Corporations will rape/pillage USA, and at end of day ship
the remaining jobs to Malaysia, Borneo, Thailand, mexico, etc.
Trump is all hat, no cattle.
[Edited on 1-14-2017 by mtgoat666] |
Then the best thing for you to do is just go lay in the shade of big log, close your eyes and slowly pass into the afterlife.
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chuckie
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It is getting very interesting . Dennis in re; your comment on guns in Mexico? Most of the guns are in the hands of the Military, which is one of the
most effected groups of all these problems. They are also the sons and daughters of, by and large, the poorest strata of population in Mexico. The
commander of the Armies, General Cienfuegos, declared that he is unhappy with the way he sees Mexico going and seems to support the group that wants
Nieta to step down...There is no overt suggestion of a Coup at this time....BUT the stars are certainly in line..
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Exactly - most here seem to think that Cienfuegos is wanting to put more political pressure on but a coup could very well could happen if Peña Nieto
attempted another crackdown like 1968 with the federal police.
I don't think Trump can take office fast enough for Peña Nieto who so badly wants to start making him the main problem for Mexico...
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Only in your dreams, Chuckie. Guns are everywhere. Even I have one with permission from the military, but I certainly didn't need to go through legal
channels.
It's a right protected by the constitution for citizens to own a gun, but that's only a superfluous detail. Quiet, private vigilance is much
easier and equally effective.
Remember "Fast and furious?"
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It is just so overwhelming the amount of increases in essential items...not just gasoline but propane which everyone uses here to cook, electricity
etc but no wage increases to cover those costs. I really dont know how the normal Jose is going to cope with all of this as these increases affect
everything like the cost of food too and people were barely scraping by as it was.
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chuckie
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Dennis I knew that..I was playing off YOUR comment that the Gummint had the guns....Sorry if I didn't get it right...Statement is still correct
tho....The lid may come off..
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. The US government won't tolerate any type of armed take-over in Mexico, by anybody.
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chuckie
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That's good to know, Dennis...Thank you...
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"The US government won't tolerate any type of armed take-over in Mexico, by anybody. "
With all due respect, I believe in some aspects, that has already occurred.
Es Todo Bueno
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| Quote: Originally posted by BajaTed | "The US government won't tolerate any type of armed take-over in Mexico, by anybody. "
With all due respect, I believe in some aspects, that has already occurred.
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if I may extrapolate your drift, I have to differ on detail. The incursion to which you refer was more a tolerated, internal take-over.....a blending
of sorts.
Anyway....back to "Fast And Furious"....... if your point is accurate, that makes the US government implicit in that take-over for supplying arms to
the enemy.
The more I write, the less proud and self-righteous I feel. 
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Lotta "experts" here.........
Mexico!! Where two can live as cheaply as one.....but it costs twice as much.....
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Wont comment, as I have no idea what either one of you are talking about...
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The USA has been actively involved in destabilization of mexico through direct support of money and weapons to both cartels and government in mexico.
The end result is massive economic destabilization and insecurity. This is well documented with efforts such as Fast and Furious, Gun Walking and
Merida initiatives.
It is quite sad to see the situation and quite frightening to actually witness violent crimes and murder in nearly every city with one goal in mind,
destabilization. Even here on Baja Nomads the violence in Baja is taboo to speak about for example the daily sicario cartel murders on our streets and
outside our front doors.
Couldn't we be more honest?
Everyday is becoming a battle and it seems people are becoming passive to the daily violence and lack of response.
These articles, though biased against the USA destabilization of Mexico, do show that the policy has been active and institutional to promote
destabilization with criminal activity and corruption. The real question is why is this a policy, who benefits, why is it allowed to continue to the
point of total breakdown of mexico and why is "the Octopus" of corruption for profit allowed to profit off the backs of so many for so few?
It seems that now that we have live video, and real time reporting to see exactly what, who, when, and how corruption occurs including video of
meetings with corrupt politicians as well as video of the inner workings of cartels and prisons we can see the institutional support for corruption
from Washington DC to DF Mexico City.
Besides profit it seems the intention is to dull perception of corruption and violence, just as you see on baja nomad it is largely ignored and
denied.
http://www.businessinsider.com/the-us-government-and-the-sin...
http://world.time.com/2014/01/14/dea-boosted-mexican-drug-ca...
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/aug/15/drug-cartels...
http://conservativetribune.com/obama-admin-met-with-drug-car...
http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2012/jun/18/rick-...
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcome/?toURL=http://www.forbe...
https://www.thenation.com/article/us-connection-mexicos-drug...
http://www.storyleak.com/nbc-report-bankers-fund-drug-cartel...
http://dailycaller.com/2016/05/19/border-patrol-union-chief-...
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2013/12/federal-court-...
http://blackagendareport.com/content/obamas-money-cartel-how...
http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/north-america/item/...
https://realitieswatch.com/u-s-government-and-top-mexican-dr...
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