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[*] posted on 3-8-2017 at 06:03 PM


Quote: Originally posted by mrfatboy  
I used a paid 180 FMM bought at TIJ airport multiple times to PVR. I guess I got lucky. When stopped the authorities look at it and say OK. Maybe they are not paying attention😜


I just have to say that is really odd. TIJ to PVR is a national flight and no FMM is needed.

I have flown all over Mexico on national flights and I have not been asked for my FMM.

Maybe I am missing something here.
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[*] posted on 3-8-2017 at 08:45 PM


He said he used it, not that anyone needed to see it. To have it on you is to use it.
I am using mine as much as I can over the 180 day life it has, as I did with my previous ones.




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[*] posted on 3-9-2017 at 08:10 AM


I have never been asked specifically for my FMM at the TIJ airport. I have been asked for "paperwork" or passport. When hanging over my passport my FFM was in the passport. They seemed more interested in the passport.

On my last trip back from PVR arriving in TIJ coming off the plane an official singled us out but just asked our nationality. We said US and he just waved us thru.

It may be that the airports don't care about the FMM but once you are on the ground somewhere in Mexico is good to have it hush in case.
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[*] posted on 3-9-2017 at 08:48 AM


Well, it is clear that once we are in the Mexican Republic, we are to obtain an FMM.
It doesn't matter if anyone sees it ever again.

I have obtained the 180 day one, the 7 day one, and the flying one in the past 3 years and have reported the details of all three in my trip reports. That's all I can do. What others do with the data is up to them.

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[*] posted on 3-9-2017 at 09:46 AM


Quote: Originally posted by norte  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Airplane FMM, one use.
Automobile FMM, good for 180 days, regardless if it is one trip or a dozen.
I asked the English speaking INM officer lasy week. My current one then had 6 days left on it... and I have been to Baja three times on it.
This was actually true for years.


So just to muddy the waters. You are saying that three2tango does not know what he is talking about and the FMM does not state one entry.


You can to the Immigration website and read the regulations for yourself -
https://www.inm.gob.mx/fmme/publico/en/solicitud.html

Click "by land" and you will see the terms that include one entry. My friend who's traveling with us is from Argentina and had lengthy conversations in Spanish with the officials where they reiterated the rules. I've traveled in Mexico enough times to understand the inconsistencies in how rules are enforced.




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[*] posted on 3-9-2017 at 10:46 AM


Some people look for the answer they want regardless of what is in writing. you missed the discussion for years about turning in your tourist permit even though it was clearly stated on the back.
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[*] posted on 3-9-2017 at 11:00 AM


Quote: Originally posted by Three2tango  
Quote: Originally posted by norte  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Airplane FMM, one use.
Automobile FMM, good for 180 days, regardless if it is one trip or a dozen.
I asked the English speaking INM officer lasy week. My current one then had 6 days left on it... and I have been to Baja three times on it.
This was actually true for years.


So just to muddy the waters. You are saying that three2tango does not know what he is talking about and the FMM does not state one entry.


You can to the Immigration website and read the regulations for yourself -
https://www.inm.gob.mx/fmme/publico/en/solicitud.html

Click "by land" and you will see the terms that include one entry. My friend who's traveling with us is from Argentina and had lengthy conversations in Spanish with the officials where they reiterated the rules. I've traveled in Mexico enough times to understand the inconsistencies in how rules are enforced.


you're going to take gob.mx word over dk.mx? wow thats bold!
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[*] posted on 3-9-2017 at 11:23 AM


I am not doubting what is on Mexico City web sites or printed on Mexico City paper.

I am just reporting on what is happening in Baja California, a place Mexico City almost forgets about...

Just look at the Federal highway in Baja!

There is probably a paper somewhere that says the national means of communication (roads) must be maintained!




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[*] posted on 3-9-2017 at 11:36 AM


Sounds like we would have been better off trying to get stamped in the main Mexicali crossing.

Looking forward to some Baja tomorrow.




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[*] posted on 3-9-2017 at 12:15 PM


Things are way less complicated in Mexico than we sometimes make them sound like. Not everyone who goes to Mexico reads Baja Nomad. I mean, anyone can just drive across the border and there are NO SIGNS saying EVERYONE (not Mexican citizens) MUST STOP HERE and get an FMM. Only recently and briefly has an INM officer been reported as flagging obvious gringo tourist cars to pull over to get it.

Can you imagine the traffic jam, parking, and chaos at the border???

There are people who cross daily or very often, and no way are they going to go through the time to park, to refill out forms. The INM official will have you just do it once every 6 months.

Anyway, each time I get mine, I will report the answers given, as I have in the past (at Tijuana, Tecate, Mexicali).

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[*] posted on 3-9-2017 at 12:37 PM


Quote: Originally posted by mrfatboy  

It may be that the airports don't care about the FMM but once you are on the ground somewhere in Mexico is good to have it hush in case.


Well, yeah, that is the law once you cross the border, no?
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[*] posted on 3-9-2017 at 12:44 PM


Quote: Originally posted by David K  
He said he used it, not that anyone needed to see it. To have it on you is to use it.
I am using mine as much as I can over the 180 day life it has, as I did with my previous ones.


Ah, OK..... I always considered I was using my travel docs only when I was presenting them to somebody who needed to see them when I wanted to proceed towards my destination.

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[*] posted on 3-9-2017 at 01:02 PM


This topic has been running for decades. A little off
target, but I get a kick out
of the ? about the need for an fmm,
then the person who asked the ?, regrets paying the fmm
fee, because he didn't get 'checked' for the fmm on his trip, regretting
the $25 spent, the regs say get one, if one doesn't want to spend the fee, don't get one. There are virtually no negative
reprocussions on not having one, save getting into a serious
accident. Believing a site info on fmm's is like believing Homeland
Security site on needing a Passport to return to the US, on the
ground/border that info may not apply





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I had family visiting late last month and when they left took their FMMs to the San Ysidro/TJ crossing immigration, to the very office where they were obtained. Three officers were there and they all said, "No need to turn it in". I pointed to the back of the form and... again got "No, no need."

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[*] posted on 3-9-2017 at 02:05 PM


Perfect answer Sancho! ;)



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Quote: Originally posted by TedZark  
I had family visiting late last month and when they left took their FMMs to the San Ysidro/TJ crossing immigration, to the very office where they were obtained. Three officers were there and they all said, "No need to turn it in". I pointed to the back of the form and... again got "No, no need."



The free 7 day one or the pay 180 day one?




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[*] posted on 3-9-2017 at 02:14 PM


Look at it this way, if you can only use the 180 day FMM for single entry, then you would not be stopped at the border and asked to see if you had one because you get them at the border. If no one looks at them at the border and stamps, scans, remembers, whatever them then there is no record of entry other than the date on the FMM itself. If you happened to be asked to show it within the country, not at the border because that is where you get them after you are in and you don't get checked there, then how would anyone know that you had not been there since the date on the FMM?

In other words, who really give a flying rats culo if its single or multi entry? If by some chance you got checked and by some other stranger chance they could prove you had made multiple entries on a single FMM, wouldn't it be more likely with a little money and not a lot of time a new FMM could be acquired and you go on your merry way? It's not like anyone is going to jail over this. Sure, technically they could deport you but Really???
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[*] posted on 3-9-2017 at 02:17 PM


I am surprised DK doesnt save every expired FMM in an online scrapbook.
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[*] posted on 3-9-2017 at 03:19 PM


Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
I am surprised DK doesnt save every expired FMM in an online scrapbook.











I wished I'd have saved some stuff. To keep track of
trips to Mex. Way off, but back in the day,
'87, I took the then Cabo/Vallarta ferry, yes there was one, had
a Toy Truck w/camper shell, this was when the Mex Govt owned
operated the ferry system. Wish I had the reciept to prove the
cost of passage,
gf, me, private cabin, includes the price for
the truck, total cost $11dlls.
Some 325 mi open ocean to Vallarta. Telling that story often
elicits disbelief. Maybe some other
bits, to keep track of the yrs



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[*] posted on 3-9-2017 at 04:03 PM


Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
I am surprised DK doesnt save every expired FMM in an online scrapbook.


Of interest, I showed the guy last week my FMM that had 6 days left on it (counting 180 days from the day it was issued) and while I was filling out the new FMM he took the older one.

As for keeping scraps, I am trying to downsize!

I have already sold nearly all of the duplicate books I had in my library. Next are all the Baja magazines... SCORE programs, Baja newspaper articles (many on the construction and completion of Hwy. 1).... a lot from Graham Mackintosh's first walks in the 80s. Mexico West Travel Club stuff, and their newsletter... I wrote a few trip reports for them in the 80s and 90s (before the Baja Internet).




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