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[*] posted on 3-9-2017 at 09:43 AM
Snake ID please


I found this little guy in the desert just north of G.Negro and am hoping for a positive species ID. It was about two feet long, skinny and mostly black except for the head. Any snake experts out there? Two suggestions so far have been gopher snake and black racer

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[*] posted on 3-9-2017 at 09:51 AM


Great find!!!



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[*] posted on 3-9-2017 at 10:20 AM


It looks like a Gopher Snake?

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[*] posted on 3-9-2017 at 11:25 AM



That's Lt. Dan
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[*] posted on 3-9-2017 at 01:37 PM


Quote: Originally posted by DavidT  

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[*] posted on 3-9-2017 at 02:12 PM


I can't remember the name but I asked awhile ago and was told. The looked it up to confirm it. Sorry David, not a gopher snake. Doesn't have the modeling like a rattler. Maybe whip snake? I'll look.
edit: similar to the whipsnake but I don't see the yellow stripe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_whipsnake .... still looking
**gopher snake https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pituophis_catenifer
edit: Here's the one I had in my yard. I think they're the same.






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[*] posted on 3-9-2017 at 02:18 PM



That species is called Joe Just Joe. Stomp it if you come across it again.




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[*] posted on 3-9-2017 at 02:29 PM


Bulging eyes, Looks like a night snake
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[*] posted on 3-9-2017 at 02:43 PM


I'm pretty sure I found it! Baja California Coachwhip
http://www.californiaherps.com/snakes/pages/c.fuliginosus.ht...




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[*] posted on 3-9-2017 at 03:09 PM


Quote: Originally posted by Russ  
I'm pretty sure I found it! Baja California Coachwhip
http://www.californiaherps.com/snakes/pages/c.fuliginosus.ht...


excellent Russ. That sure looks like it.
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[*] posted on 3-9-2017 at 03:19 PM


OK, but the coachwhip I photographed was mostly solid in color. Philodog's looks a lot more like a gopher snake in the book... I will scan and post the two.

Until then, here is a coachwhip I photographed by Rancho San Gregorio, a few miles SE of San Borja:







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[*] posted on 3-9-2017 at 03:38 PM
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[*] posted on 3-9-2017 at 03:41 PM
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[*] posted on 3-9-2017 at 03:49 PM


beautiful snake whatever it is!



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[*] posted on 3-9-2017 at 03:53 PM


Looks like it is from the 'reptilia slitherin' group!



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[*] posted on 3-9-2017 at 03:55 PM


Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo  
Looks like it is from the 'reptilia slitherin' group!


Is that from Harry Potter?




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[*] posted on 3-9-2017 at 03:57 PM


Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo  
Looks like it is from the 'reptilia slitherin' group!


Is that from Harry Potter?


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[*] posted on 3-9-2017 at 04:48 PM


Wow, David you brought out the different patterns and colorations of the snakes.



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[*] posted on 3-9-2017 at 05:03 PM


What do you think Russ? I mean, it looks like those patterns are on both? The photo I took of a Coachwhip was in 2001, and the thing moved FAST! I was lucky to get that one shot. I remember it being just dark, one color, but even in my disposable camera shot, I tink I see some of that pattern near the head?



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[*] posted on 3-9-2017 at 05:33 PM


If you look at the photos in the other link posted (http://www.californiaherps.com/snakes/pages/c.fuliginosus.ht...) you can see that coachwhips can have that patterning along their sides, especially the juveniles, along with the solid dark phase dorsal coloring.

It doesn't seem like gopher snakes have that solid dark back, but if anyone has pictures/guide to the contrary, please share.
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